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Questions and Answers from OKEx AMA with Tron Black - 2/18/2020

https://twitter.com/OKEx/status/1228212766126661633
The AMA was a huge success! THANK YOU TRON!
If you want to see all the questions that poured in when they opened the AMA up for questions from the audience, here they are: https://pastebin.com/KVpyXmgu The Telegram admins had to temporarily mute the group because there were so many questions flooding in from so many people. A *good problem* to have. :)
Below are all the ANSWERED questions.
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:09]
Here’s question#1:What is your background and how did you come to the idea to create RVN [email protected]

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:12]
Sorry, I was locked out for minute.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:12]
I'm just a tiny part of Ravencoin, and there are some amazing developers (Jeremy, Mark, Cade, and Corbin) that have been brought the new capabilities to mainnet. The core idea of bringing assets to a bitcoin-derived blockchain platform came from Bruce Fenton, a former Executive Director of the Bitcoin Foundation with life-long experience in the traditional finance and stockbroker world. Medici Ventures is allowing some of its developers to contribute to the project. I was fortunate enough to have the right background to help with this project. I have a CS degree, C++ coding skills, economics background, early entrepreneurial success, teaching experience, an MBA, and a burning passion for the crypto-space and how it can change the world for the better.

[email protected], [18.02.20 05:12]
Thanks. Here's question#2: Why did you name the project Raven? What was Raven created to solve? What is the business model of the project?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:12]
The name came from Bruce Fenton. Ravens are clever birds with a rich history. Ravencoin makes it easy to create and transfer your own asset. There isn’t a business model for the project. It is a gift to the world in the spirit of Bitcoin. Medici Ventures has allowed some of its top developers to contribute time and effort to the project. Medici Ventures does hold some mined RVN, so it may be a win-win.

[email protected], [18.02.20 05:14]
Thank you for answering. Let's move on to the next question# 3. What are the $RVN tokens used for? What gives it value?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:15]
Thank you for asking.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:15]
The RVN tokens are used to purchase your own token on the Ravencoin platform.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:16]
Those RVN are burned.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:16]
RVN is also used to incentivize the miners to secure the chain.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:16]
RVN is also used for transaction fees for tranferring RVN or user-created (your) assets.

[email protected], [18.02.20 05:17]
Cool. Here's question# 4:In your opinion what is the unique "selling" point, or best feature, of Ravencoin?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:17]
This is like being asked "who is your favorite child."

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:18]
Except answering it doesn't cost children thousands in therapy so I'll give it a shot.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:18]
The best feature of Ravencoin, with the most unexpected results, has been its linkage to IPFS.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:19]
This was originally done to ensure that meta-dat about a token doesn't get lost like it has on other platforms like Counterparty.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:19]
The linkage to IPFS has RECENTLY been extended to include messaging, and memos.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:20]
You can now include information, even a PDF, or a video clip with every transaction.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:20]
This is powerful, and I can't wait to see how it gets used.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:20]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:20]
Quesiton#5 What are the advantages of using Ravencoin for assets tokenization compared to other blockchain protocols?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:21]
Wow. Where do I start?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:21]
First, the meta-data about the token can be recorded via IPFS, so everyone knows what the token represents.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:22]
Second, the token has a unique name which can help with preventing fake tokens, and allows humang readable "root-of-trust" for the token that isn't just 40 characters of hex (ERC-20).

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:22]
There explorers for assets, like: https://ravencoin.asset-explorer.com

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:23]
and https://www.mangofarmassets.com/assetviewer

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:23]
Wallets like RVN Wallet, MangoFarms Wallet, and Zelcore wallet support Ravencoin assets.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:23]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:23]
Here's our next question from Twitter# 6: Does being fully community-driven blockchain have its own drawbacks for rvn? You know, voluntarism means no marketing or legal team.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:24]
Yes, oh yes.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:24]
But the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.

[email protected], [18.02.20 05:24]
[ Photo ]
📣Group is Off Commenting for a while due to AMA. Will allow back when Q&A session later. Kindly be Patience with us. Thank You🥰

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:24]
It is just technology that people choose to use.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:24]
Ravencoin has attracted the right kinds of people, including donated legal help when it was needed.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:25]
The lack of a marketing budget does slow the awareness.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:25]
In some ways this is good, and the demand for RVN isn't reliant on promotion.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:25]
As other projects stop promotion, or run out of marketing funds, they are at risk.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:26]
Ravencoin is just growing slowly and steadily as more people learn about it.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:26]
Consider yourself fortunate to have learned about Ravencoin early.😁

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:26]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:27]
Great!!! Here's the next question from Twitter# 7:is it apple to apple if I say that ravencoin is going to disrupt wall street just like bitcoin is disrupting to central banking?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:28]
At the very least, Ravencoin will help show the way that tokenization can improve capital formation. It is up to others to take advantage of these new tools, technologies, and features.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:28]
It might happen first in countries other than the U.S.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:29]
Look at the story of Blockbuster Video (former leader in video rental), and Netflix (current video streaming leader) to see what might happen in the future. Is Wall Street the new Blockbuster Video?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:30]
I see similar patterns of arrogance, but only time will tell.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:30]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:30]
Here's the next question# 8: How will Ravencoin defend hashrate distribution (algo question) if there are important securities issued on this platform (double spend attack)?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:31]
Ravencoin doesn't re-org after 60 blocks which helps prevent double-spend attacks -- a feature called NLR.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:31]
Also, something to be aware of is that in most cases tokens are redeemed by an issuer which removes the incentive to double-spend.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:32]
Example: Let's say the token is a share of real-estate. The laws of the jurisdiction for the real-estate would apply when redeeming for dividends, etc.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:33]
Also If the issuer is using the Restricted Assets feature of Ravencoin which have tokens that start with $, then the stolen tokens can be frozen.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:33]
Note: Regular assets (not starting with $) can't be frozen.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:33]
The issuer of the token should specify how redemption is handled.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:33]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:34]
Thank you for your detailed answer. and Quesiton#9 How does RVN works? What problem did RVN solve? How do the Tokenomics work?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:34]
RVN works like BTC, because it is a code fork of BTC.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:34]
RVN lets you create your own tokens in under a minute. It is easy!!!

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:34]
RVN is required to create your own token.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:35]
Heres' the breakdown:

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:35]
500 RVN burned to create a root asset with a unique name. 100 RVN is burned to create a sub-asset (under a root asset). 5 RVN is burned to create a unique asset (NFT). 1000 RVN burned to be a qualifier. 1500 RVN burned to create a Restricted Asset with special superpowers. 0.1 RVN burned to attach a tag to a Ravencoin address. A small amount of RVN is used, but not burned to transfer assets.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:35]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:35]
Let's move on to the next question#10 Safety and security are always the most important things. So what is the security mechanism of RavenCoin to ensure user assets do not become the target of hackers?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:36]
Ravencoin has a strong network of miners.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:36]
Most of the original code is from Bitcoin which is probably the most vetted code in the world.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:36]
We have run a bug bounty to hopefully find any flaws before release to mainnet.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:36]
With all that said, there are no guarantees as this is just source code provided for free that folks choose to run.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:37]
If you need absolute assurance, then you should commission an audit of the code. There is no Ravencoin company, just a GitHub repository and a lot of passionate supporters.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:37]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:37]
Quesiton#11 Nowaday most investors $RVN simply focus on the price of the token in the short term, and not on the real value of the project. Can you tell us about the motivation and advantages of an investor $RVN in the long term?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:38]
I can't speak to the motivations of individual investors.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:38]
RVN is a great token with good liquidity (world-wide).

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:38]
RVN is used to incentivize the miners and help protect the Ravencoin asset platform, so it has a use case.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:39]
RVN can be a store-of-value, and a medium-of-exchange.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:39]
One of my favorite things about Ravencoin is that it is tricky to classify, as it has so many uses.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:39]
I love seeing how people build using this technology platform.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:39]
Ravencoin makes new things possible.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:39]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:40]
Here's the next question #12 Who are your competitors and how do you intend to thrive amongst them?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:40]
This may sound strange, but I don't see crypto technologies as competitors.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:41]
The crypto space is tiny compared to the legacy systems we've had for fifty years, so I look at every project as a way to bring new people into crypto-ecosystem.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:41]
If we add value, features, and capabilities, then more people will learn about the Ravencoin platform and what it can do for them.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:41]
The ERC-20 smart contract is an alternative asset issuance option, but Ravencoin is much better for most uses, so more education is needed.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:41]
https://medium.com/@tronblack/ravencoin-better-than-erc-20-88a276d3e434

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:41]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:42]
Quesiton#13 What is the uniqueness of the Raven token? Why should investors (including me) invest in Raven?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:42]
Ravencoin is a platform.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:42]
You should evaluate the capabilities of the Ravencoin platform and ask yourself whether it will be used, and whether it adds value over other platforms like ETH, EOS, or TEZOS.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:42]
Hint: It does. I try not to provide investment advice, so do your own research.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:43]
https://ravencoin.org

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:43]
https://medium.com/@tronblack

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:43]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:43]
Quesiton#14 What your plans in place for global expansion, are you focusing on only market at this time? Or focus on building and developing or getting customers and users, or partnerships? Can you explain this?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:43]
Ravencoin is already a global phenomenon.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:44]
South Korea has been onto Ravencoin for some time now, and I had the opportunity to speak at a South Korean Ravencoin meetup that filled an Art Hall with a waiting list.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:44]
Because of OKEx, that awareness will expand to China.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:44]
Our focus is building and education about Ravencoin.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:44]
There is no marketing budget, and we raised no funds.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:45]
The success so far has been completely organic, and Ravencoin has the best community of any coin, anywhere.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:45]
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[email protected], [18.02.20 05:45]
Here is THE LAST question#10 from Twitter before we accept questions from the Telegram chat. what are your hopes with the $RVN listing on u/OKEx Okex going forward?

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:45]
I hope the OKEx $RVN listing brings awareness of Ravencoin to new parts of the world.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:46]
The project is more capable than most people know, and because it was launched without raising any funds, there isn't a marketing budget.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:46]
It is up to smart individuals, like yourselves, to figure out what Ravencoin can do, and use the technology to make new companies and new projects.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:46]
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Tron Black, [18.02.20 05:57]
>>> When is mainnet launch?
January 3, 2018

Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:01]
>>> A project's Technical development may not always be reflected on the price of it's token. What is raven doing specifically to increase price of its token?
I agree. And I think it is especially true in the case of Ravencoin. The true value may not be reflected in the short-term. The Ravencoin project isn't a company. It will take time. There isn't a marketing dept or budget, but through events like these, and podcasts, and blogs, and new projects building on top of Ravencoin, I think the value will eventually be reflected.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:06]
>>>> Give me some important reasons why we need to buy RVN token where in fact hundreds of project failed and it went to bankruptcy or even developers run when they collect millions/billions of funds…? Can you explain it to us

Many got burned during the crazy ICO phase of 2017. Ravencoin did not participate. Ravencoin is technology and a passionate community. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow (heaven forbid), the project will continue because it is free, open-source and anyone can carry it on, or contribute, or use it, or copy it. Ravencoin can't go to bankruptcy. It is code, and it doesn't borrow, or or have debt. Some of the core develoepers, myself included, are allowed to work on the project while working for Medici Ventures. This is a great arrangement.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:06]
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Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:10]
>>>> How does RAVENCOIN evaluate the importance of the user community? In the near future, does RAVEN have any special plans to attract and expand the community ?

The Ravencoin community is the most important and valuable part of the project. There are already clones of the code, but not of the passionate, helpful, and dedicated community. We invite you to become a part of it, and help expand it in Asia.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:10]
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Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:13]
>>>>. RVN is regulatory compliant project for assets tokenization in U.S. Meaning that the assets issued in RVN protocol is fine with the U.S authorities.

Ravencoin provides features that help U.S. issuers stay legal under the existing U.S. rules. I've written about how this can be done, but I would always recommend having your plans reviewed by a competent attorney. The U.S. rules are complex, and from a different era.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:13]
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Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:18]
>>>> Ravencoin is constantly finding new big partners.Audience is constantly growing.What’s the secret to this growth rate?

A vibrant, and welcoming community. Technology that solves real tokenization problems. Easy-to-use, so anyone can participate. Not launching as an ICO, so it is fair for everyone.

Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:18]
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Tron Black, [18.02.20 06:20]
Thank you everyone for the fantastic questions. I would like to answer every one of them, but it is after 4am and I should get some sleep. I really appreciate all the participation, and I hope your trading on OKEx goes very well for all of you!!!
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Discord Log from Ravencoin Open Developer Meeting - Oct 5, 2018

joey at 1:57 PM

What kind of transaction types are possible with RVN assets? Is it possible to create an asset that has a set lifetime or self-destruct time?

Tron at 2:00 PM

Not for assets/sub-assets/unique. We might be able to do that with voting tokens.

RavencoinDev at 2:01 PM

Hello Everybody!📷1

SpyderDev at 2:01 PM

Hi boss📷1

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:01 PM

SUP📷1

Chatturga at 2:01 PM

^📷1

BruceFenton at 2:01 PM

Probably lots of ways to do a self destruct on second layer as well if desired

russ at 2:01 PM

suuuuuupso what is todays topic?

RavencoinDev at 2:02 PM

Thanks for joining us today. We would like to discuss the current status of the 2.1 release.As well as doing an open Q&A at the end.First though I want to thank everybody that helped get the word out on upgrading to the 2.0.4.1 release!Without that fix being in place and exchanges and pools upgrading we would be having a different conversation today.This community is amazing.

russ at 2:04 PM

we would have ended up like pigeoncoinnot a good look📷2

watsure at 2:05 PM

Hello Mr. God

RavencoinDev at 2:05 PM

Exactly

russ at 2:05 PM

i gave pigeoncoin the pullrequest but they ignored meglad we have competent devs

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:05 PM

Everyone, So we are planning on getting out build 2.1 as soon as possible. We are still doing bug fixes, and getting the code hardened for release. There is currently one bug is the asset layer that we are fixing right now, and once that is done we should have a couple days of testing. It would be lovely if the community helped with testing, and we appreciate all of the testing that the community has already done. Once, we have a basic build that is tested, we are going to make a public release and notify the miners and pools.

RavencoinDev at 2:06 PM

Once that bug is addressed a release branch will be created.

russ at 2:06 PM

that duplicate ownership asset bug is nasty

RavencoinDev at 2:06 PM

You should all be able to build that and jump on testnet.

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:07 PM

@russ Yeah, didn't see that one. BUt I have a fix right now that seems to be working on my local machine

RavencoinDev at 2:07 PM

We need as much testing help from our devs as possible.

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:07 PM

so, I will have that pushed up with the day.

russ at 2:07 PM

nice

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:08 PM

Just a reminder, that when the new wallet is published, if you don't update your wallet by the time assets are voting in by the blocks you will fork. So, we are going to try and get the wallet out there as soon as we can so users have weeks to upgrade.

Skan at 2:09 PM

Hey everyone

RavencoinDev at 2:10 PM

Any questions comments about the 2.1 release?

Skan at 2:10 PM

Mojave support?

SpyderDev at 2:10 PM

Yes and no

RavencoinDev at 2:10 PM

Good question SkanRight now that's also an issue with Bitcoin.

SpyderDev at 2:12 PM

The short version for Mojave is that the released binaries will work fine.

Skan at 2:12 PM

Interesting, so is it likely going to be a future upgrade that brings stability?

SpyderDev at 2:12 PM

However, developers should hold off.

RavencoinDev at 2:12 PM

We are currently building on High Sierra

Skan at 2:12 PM

Ok good to know for those who ask

SpyderDev at 2:13 PM

There is an incompatibility with Berkeley db version 4 that causes a segfault on init.

RavencoinDev at 2:13 PM

Or using the build scripts that Under created to build on Linux. Thjanks @Under

[Master] Roshii at 2:13 PM

Looks I'm late to the event

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:13 PM

THE MASTER!

RavencoinDev at 2:13 PM

Sorry it's late for you @[Master] Roshii

Skan at 2:14 PM

master roshi is never late, he is simply the turtle hermit

SpyderDev at 2:14 PM

One can upgrade Berkeley-db to the latest version and compile with the --incompatible-bdb and things will run, but there are some unknowns as far as wallet compatibility is concerned.

RavencoinDev at 2:15 PM

Raven will likely follow Bitcoin on Mojave support.

SpyderDev at 2:15 PM

The release binaries are compiled on Linux which we have tested on Mojave, so as long as you aren't compiling binaries go ahead and update to Mojave

RavencoinDev at 2:15 PM

It's a problem they have to solve as well, so...

SpyderDev at 2:15 PM

There is supposed to be a patch to bdb, but so far it isn't working

[Master] Roshii at 2:15 PM

@RavencoinDev it's never late for me.

Skan at 2:15 PM

Ok, and for the devs interested just point them to the berkeley upgrade with some warnings or to Under's scripts?

RavencoinDev at 2:16 PM

Right, the wallet runs just fine on Mojave. It's just a developer issue.

[Master] Roshii at 2:16 PM

If I can say anything it will be : don't update to Mojave

SpyderDev at 2:16 PM

There is a warning note in the docs section for OSX building

RavencoinDev at 2:16 PM

Mojave slowed down @[Master] Roshii and the iOS wallet.

Skan at 2:16 PM

YikesOk good to know, just want to be able to help / point people in the right direction

RavencoinDev at 2:17 PM

Thanks @Skan

SpyderDev at 2:17 PM

There is also an issue with Mojave dark mode and the QT wallet that makes things difficult to read (white on white text). We have a workaround which is to disable dark mode for QT in the plist file.

Skan at 2:17 PM

Ok so this is going to be pretty soon then, right ? Next week, likely?

RavencoinDev at 2:18 PM

Any further Mojave questions?Which @Skan ?

Skan at 2:18 PM

I think that covers it for me2.1 releaseIn order to have weeks to upgrade before main net

RavencoinDev at 2:18 PM

Yes, it is looking like we can work through this last issue with asset re-org very soon.Likely early next week.

Skan at 2:20 PM

Is 2.1 going to have any UI updates ?

RavencoinDev at 2:20 PM

Yes, frogs has more details.

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:20 PM

The UI is done. It is currently in the develop2. So if you have built the develop2 branch, you would be looking at the new UI for now.

RavencoinDev at 2:21 PM

There have been other QT designs kicked around and we would love to see more from the community.

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:21 PM

Future upgrades to come though. but those won't be mandatory upgrades. Just visual upgrades.

SpyderDev at 2:21 PM

The UI tweaks are subtle, but they make a big difference.

Skan at 2:22 PM

Very cool, I will check out dev2 branch

russ at 2:22 PM

new asset creation UI is awesome

Skan at 2:22 PM

I saw that, I like it. And the longer asset holdings list

RavencoinDev at 2:22 PM

@russ Don't make @[Dev] Blondfrogs head any larger...

russ at 2:23 PM

lol

RavencoinDev at 2:23 PM

Other 2.1 release questions/comments?

Skan at 2:23 PM

Cant think of anything else at the momentThanks!

Hans_Schmidt at 2:23 PM

Is dividend support officially part of 2.1 release? It wasn't intuitive to me how that works.

RavencoinDev at 2:24 PM

No it will be in the next release. However, you could write a script that would provide the same functionality with what will be released in 2.1.

Skan at 2:25 PM

I heard something about Phase 4 being complete already, is that true, and is that in 2.1?

RavencoinDev at 2:25 PM

List all addresses with an asset, loop through sending X raven to each.

Skan at 2:25 PM

Unique assets>

RavencoinDev at 2:25 PM

Yes, Unique assets are complete.(edited)

Tron at 2:25 PM

Dividend support can be done without modifying the protocol. We can add it to a version of the software that can be used by the payer, without requiring others to upgrade.So we did phase 1, 2, 4

Skan at 2:26 PM

Oh wowGreat job everyone!

RavencoinDev at 2:26 PM

Yeah, we're super excited about the use cases that assets and unique assets provide to our develoepers(edited)

Skan at 2:27 PM

Can you tell us anything else about this separate software client? Will it be geared more towards enterprise use in general or will it just be that feature?

RavencoinDev at 2:27 PM

Speaking of, do any of you have a dev project in the works with assets?

russ at 2:27 PM

well its not a separate software client, its a backwards compatible release @Skan(edited)kind of like a softfork if you know what that is

Skan at 2:28 PM

Yeah unique assets will be awesome, actually there's a korean community member planning on issuing them along with silver ravencoinsIf im not mistaken

RavencoinDev at 2:28 PM

That's awesome!

russ at 2:28 PM

@RavencoinDev @Scotty is working on an asset explorerhttp://ravencoin.asset-explorer.net/

RavencoinDev at 2:29 PM

Yes, we've been watching that.

Skan at 2:29 PM

I am working with him on a Korean translation of the whitepaper, x16r whitepaper, and an introduction article so that we can take advantage of our availability in that market📷1

RavencoinDev at 2:29 PM

Super excited to see that mature.

Skan at 2:29 PM

@russ ah ok that makes senseWill there be anything else to that release?

RavencoinDev at 2:30 PM

Thanks @Skan. We want Raven to span the globe.Okay, Open Q&A time.What other questions do you guys have?

Skan at 2:31 PM

This release with rewards capability, will there be anything else added/changed for that version?

Tron at 2:31 PM

It might be released as phase 3, 5, 6.Although it could be released separately, without impacting anything.

Skan at 2:32 PM

Ah ok, so all of these features can be opted-into by someone who wants to take advantage, without cluttering the experience for a basic user

Tron at 2:32 PM

Phase 5 and 6 will be together as it requires a hard-fork.

RavencoinDev at 2:33 PM

Yes, we want to focus on user experience so it's super simple to do what you want to do.

Skan at 2:33 PM

Awesome

russ at 2:33 PM

so is anyone working on RSK yet

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:34 PM

We aren't yet.

russ at 2:34 PM

yea im gonna have a look at the code soon

[Master] Roshii at 2:34 PM

Who said ravencoin needs RSK

RavencoinDev at 2:34 PM

It'd be great to have that done by the community.

russ at 2:34 PM

i think some people would like smart contracts @[Master] Roshii

Skan at 2:35 PM

RSK would be great for token distributions

russ at 2:35 PM

the real trick would be getting RSK to recognize assets

Tron at 2:35 PM

RSK, Segwit, Lightning are all on the table, but lower priority than phases 3, 5, 6.

[Master] Roshii at 2:35 PM

This is just like saying let's do what ravencoin does in the old fassion!

russ at 2:35 PM

well not really, smart contracts can do other things

[Master] Roshii at 2:36 PM

What's the RBF status @Tron

Skan at 2:36 PM

Keep us posted russ I think that would be amazingWhen you write smart contracts in RSK what language is it in?

russ at 2:36 PM

solidity i thinlthink

RavencoinDev at 2:36 PM

yes

russ at 2:36 PM

eth contracts also work on RSKso thats a plus

Skan at 2:37 PM

Ok great so we dont even have to work on templates or anything

RavencoinDev at 2:37 PM

Having solidity contracts that interact with Raven assets would open up a lot of possibilities.

Skan at 2:37 PM

I think so too, especially for stuff like tokens in gaming use case📷1

russ at 2:37 PM

i guess it would also help with cross chain atomic swaps too

Skan at 2:37 PM

Yep

RavencoinDev at 2:37 PM

Yes!

russ at 2:38 PM

BTC directly for an asset

Skan at 2:38 PM

sounds like a good product

russ at 2:38 PM

making ICOs easier

Tron at 2:38 PM

Yes, cross-chain atomic swaps would be amazing with user issued assets.

RavencoinDev at 2:39 PM

Other questions?

Skan at 2:40 PM

Smart contract atomic swap erc20token 1:1 for their new RVN counterpart

Hans_Schmidt at 2:40 PM

I believe that every cross-chain atomic swap implementation I have seen requires a trusted federation. That's even true for RSK.

Tron at 2:40 PM

@Skan I like it!

Skan at 2:42 PM

No more questions from me

RavencoinDev at 2:42 PM

Okay, seems that we're winding down on the Q&A.Thank you all for joining us today. I've really liked how this discussion has worked out on Discord.Did anybody miss IRC today?

russ at 2:43 PM

hell no

Hans_Schmidt at 2:43 PM

Like a toothache

russ at 2:43 PM

this was waaay better

RavencoinDev at 2:44 PM

📷

Hans_Schmidtat 2:44 PM

Missed the mems tho

RavencoinDevToday at 2:44 PM

I agree. I was even able to fix my typos.That's right, we had some epic memes last time.Where are you @Pathfinder

Chatturga at 2:45 PM

@Pathfinder Do you have an epic meme for us today?

Skan at 2:45 PM

Meme please

[Master] Roshii at 2:46 PM

Can somebody give @Pathfinder a Master Memer role and color

Chatturga at 2:46 PM

https://i.imgflip.com/2jgpgw.jpg📷📷1📷1

Pathfinder at 2:46 PM

heyayeah, that was my meme for today 📷 ty Chatturga

BruceFenton at 2:46 PM

Good stuff

RavencoinDev at 2:47 PM

Thanks everybody!

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:47 PM

peace out

Skan at 2:47 PM

Later!

RavencoinDev at 2:47 PM

Have a great weekend. NH Raven Meetup next week!!!!

Jeroz at 2:47 PM

📷

SpyderDev at 2:47 PM

Thanks guys!

RavencoinDev at 2:47 PM

See you there!

Pathfinder at 2:47 PM

I'll be there! looking forward to seeing folks 📷

Hans_Schmidt at 2:47 PM

See ya in NH

Tron at 2:48 PM

See ya there!

Jeroz at 2:48 PM

Cant make it, but have fun! 📷

RavencoinDev at 2:48 PM

^ did you have a question about tron's Comment?

Jeroz at 2:49 PM

No I was super excited about it

RavencoinDev at 2:49 PM

Ah, me too!

russ at 2:49 PM

mtarget is streaming the meetup, right?

RavencoinDev at 2:50 PM

Not sure, we have really appreciated his work in the past but haven't heard.

Chatturga at 2:52 PM

Yes, he is planning on doing a stream📷1

RavencoinDev at 2:53 PM

Thanks again everybody.
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Transcript of Developer Meeting in Discord - April 12, 2019

Tron04/12/2019
Hello everyone.
It's been a good couple of weeks for Ravencoin.
Sorry I missed the last session. I was on vacation.
Jeremy is looking at channel settings. Can anyone else chat?
RavencoinDev (Jesse/Wolfsokta)04/12/2019
Hello Everybody!
Under04/12/2019
Hey Tron! Hey Jesse!
RavencoinDev (Jesse/Wolfsokta)04/12/2019
Hey Under. Thanks for joining us.
Tron04/12/2019
Ok, still locked. Working on it.
Who knows how to open the channel?
Under04/12/2019
@traysi ★★★★★
RavencoinDev (Jesse/Wolfsokta)04/12/2019
Maybe we start with just you running the show Tron? You can translate the blond frog speak...
Tron04/12/2019
We can all chat, but it isn't a community chat. It would just be a speech.
[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs04/12/2019
Seems as though, they thought that the @Core Developer open open the channel, but we can't :frowning:
RavencoinDev (Jesse/Wolfsokta)04/12/2019
Ah, I see.
Tron04/12/2019
Ok, the [pot leaf] means you agree, and the [mushroom] means you disagree. GO!
This is the best.
Much less dissent. :smiley:
Ok, we thought we had the ability to open the channel, but it doesn't seem to be the case. To "thenest"!
traysi ★★★★★04/12/2019
Channel should be open now
bitspill04/12/2019
woot
Hans_Schmidt04/12/2019
Hallo! Now it's unlocked. This is always the problem with tight security - it can backfire.
𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖔𝖓 𝕳𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖔 CEO ∞04/12/2019
thanks @traysi ★★★★★
Under04/12/2019
Thanks guys
[Master] Roshii04/12/2019
it is
Vincent04/12/2019
:nerd:
traysi ★★★★★04/12/2019
I updated Core Developer permissions to manage this channel. Should work in the future.
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Tron Bruce had mentioned wanting Restricted Assets as a wallet control instead of being on chain. Thoughts?
Tron04/12/2019
>> Tron Bruce had mentioned wanting Restricted Assets as a wallet control instead of being on chain. Thoughts?
I'm not 100% sure what that means.
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Also, seems to me from just being around here pretty much all day everyday that the community support to have only the original asset holder being the only one ever to issue a restricted asset of the same name is basically 99% universal
Tron04/12/2019
Lots of stuff can be done on the 2nd layer, but not restricting peer to peer trades for those holding their own keys. That's the main reason for Tags and Restricted Assets.
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Basically Bruce wants to keep restricted asset issuance capabilities at the wallet level
I'm seeing a big security issue with going that route
Chill04/12/2019
I don't want to put words into Bruce's mouth, but that is my understanding as well
Tron04/12/2019
Explain "wallet level" Wallet is a container for private keys in my vernacular.
𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖔𝖓 𝕳𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖔 CEO ∞04/12/2019
brb, googling vernacular
Tron04/12/2019
:smiley:
𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖔𝖓 𝕳𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖔 CEO ∞04/12/2019
learn something new every day
Chill04/12/2019
from verna, meaning house slave. That's you, CEO!
Tron04/12/2019
Sorry, in bitcoin terminology.
bhorn04/12/2019
https://twitter.com/brucefenton/status/1116482635314999296
Bruce Fenton (@brucefenton)
Wallet level controls for securities might offer the best of both worlds: decentralized protocols with the ability for issuers to program and control their digital assets based on whatever rules they choose.
Twitter
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
@Tron Sorry, I wouldn't fully know exactly what Bruce was thinking when he mentioned this to the community, might not be a bad idea to get in touch with him at some point
That ^^^
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
it will need to be somehow baked into the chain, though. No?
otherwise wallet code circumventing it could be conceived
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
If any of the committing devs have topics or updates they'd like to bring up, shooot
Tron04/12/2019
Ah, ok. I think that means that issuers can control issuance with their keys and determine whether the recipient is Reg D, Reg S, Accredited, etc. That wouldn't be an on-chain function, and might need to be done first. Only later when secondary trading is approved/allowed/enabled/etc then the Restricted Asset idea is important for those that want to hold their keys/assets.
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
When better privacy... And how?
Tron04/12/2019
None of this matters if it is held by a regulated custodian.
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
@Tron Yeah, seems to me from a security standpoint, that would be a bad idea
Tron04/12/2019
No PII (Personally Identifiable Information) should go on-chain.
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
so even wallet side things that Bruce mentions rely on the chain having tagged and restricted assets
correct?
Tron04/12/2019
But, in the US, the laws are such for Securities that KYC has to be done for issuance for sure, and likely for trading in a centralized exchange or ATS.
The idea behind tags and assets is to restrict assets to addresses that are tagged. The chain is completely unaware of any other rules. It is just a tool set.
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
understood
Synicide04/12/2019
@Tron has there been any further thought/discussions about the hot topic from the previous dev meeting of uniqueness between regular assets and restricted assets? Last meeting ideas were tossed around for a grace peroid, or sharing unique names.
Under04/12/2019
KYC Isn’t a requirement for lottery. Do you think blending in that use case hurts or helps Ravencoin legitimacy? Could the activity of unregulated securities trading, slowly become the norm much as in the same way pot is becoming legalized? How do we by code accommodate existing systems without giving up on the goal of changing the way fundamentallly people participate in the equity market?
Tron04/12/2019
We've talked about it, but no decisions yet.
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Lastly, was thinking the dev meeting time is probably not the ideal place for community randoms like myself to voice our thoughts about non-technical specifics like we're discussing currently. Before the hard fork would it be a good idea to kinda have an open mic online forum where the devs and community can get together and talk about some of the governance type issues?
Hans_Schmidt04/12/2019
Is the current plan still to include both messaging and restricted assets in the next release/fork? GUI included or only consensus/rpc level?
Tron04/12/2019
In general, we feel that XYZ is different than $XYZ. There is some additional on-chain burden like holding the rule-set for the restricted asset.
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
Could making the !Ownership token reissueable as $Ownership, Be viable? Keeping asset names unique for their owners?
Tron04/12/2019
Tags have to be held by wallets, so there should be a cost to tagging.
[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs04/12/2019
@Hans_Schmidt We are going to try and release them on mainnet at the same time.
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
Asset names being unique on chain, no matter the type, would be ideal.
[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs04/12/2019
Not sure about the GUI though.
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
@S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org Yes I feel therr may be a disconnect on this issue between the community and the dev team regarding what u say
Chill04/12/2019
I have yet to interact with anyone here who is in favor of overlapping names, to be honest
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
yep
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
No overlaps
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
"Token names are guaranteed unique."
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Which is why I've kinda suggested maybe a round table on this issue before we try to push the code through
Tron04/12/2019
Do you think that sentiment would hold with the wider community?
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
It does in my experience
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
I've seen nobody who prefers the grace period idea
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
We need to properly survey all channels
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
We can do a discord vote
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
needs to be wider than discord
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
Discord is not enough, discord is not the community.
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
For sure
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
Yeah not by a long shot
Synicide04/12/2019
I would at least like to hear an argument on why they shouldnt be. There have been several arguments on why they should be.
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
twitter, telegram, etc
pool operators
Hans_Schmidt04/12/2019
It could cost a fee to make an asset restricted, and still only the original owner could do it. Issue first, then restrict.
Chill04/12/2019
That's what I was going to say. I have yet to hear an argument that explains why the names should be overlapped
Tron04/12/2019
@S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org I agree. If there's a way to survey the wider community, I think we should go with it.
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
Well, i guess you can try to push it, let the miners decide
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
The owner of !ASSET ought to have enduring, sole right to create $ASSET
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
If anyone has the position that they can be made non unique by a seprate $ownership issuance, Please pm me and we can have a discussion on my youtube stream.
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
@Tron once the voting layer has been activated, this will all be so much easier :yum:
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
assuming an official vote token is produced
But that would be kind of centralized
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Nothing is official of course
Vincent04/12/2019
the needs to be a logical explanation on how it will be better for the coin to have them not connected
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
I normally never speak in development-meetings. But I agree with @S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org's opinion. >>Asset names being unique on chain, no matter the type, would be ideal.<<
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
But it's better than having nothing for the devs to rely upon when deciding how the code is gonna be pushed out
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
And no I don't own any asset :)
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
Assets being not unique = Fraud and confusion
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
It would in fact be in my personal benefit if it isn't going to be that way, to squat important names.
Synicide04/12/2019
There have been many potential issues/confusion brought up with them not being unique. But no one understands the counter argument
Tron04/12/2019
I don't have a dog in the hunt. If it is better for the project for $BCD and BCD to be treated as the same -- even though they're different textually and different types of tokens, then I'm ok with that. What I don't want, is to make a decision that has lasting repercussions for the project based on the voices of a few that may have a vested interest because they secured good names.
[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs04/12/2019
Don't worry, Tron is typing :smiley:
Vincent04/12/2019
**jeopardy theme song*
Tron04/12/2019
That's why I mention the "wider" community.
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
Absolutely the route to take, gathering the opinions of the greater community.
Vincent04/12/2019
can u give one good counter argument ?
kott04/12/2019
so no counter argument ?!
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Agreed and this should only be the start of this conversation
bhorn04/12/2019
>>from Tron: they're different textually and different types of tokens
sounds like a counter
Vincent04/12/2019
the only one i can think of is a new life on name squating which in no way helps the project
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
I only bring this up because it seems 99% here prefer forever instead of a grace period. Makes me think it's worthy of discussing to the wider community
Tron04/12/2019
For sure grace period.
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
There no argument that it merits discussion
Chill04/12/2019
any company will be forced to buy the !asset and $asset anyway
Vincent04/12/2019
seems like a brexit vote.... revote until the correct vote is recieved
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
@Tron I agree, if this is going to have lasting repercussions for the project, and will only benefit a few, they should be separated. But then we should asses what the implications would be of doing it or not doing it. Are those known?
bhorn04/12/2019
as a non-developer, it would be confusing to me if ASSETNAME and $ASSETNAME were not related
Tron04/12/2019
If the wider community is for the non-restricted asset having precedent forever to get the token, then its easy to do.
bhorn04/12/2019
hearing about name uniquness, but then those two not being unique, seems like a contradiction
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
I am all for what is best for the blockchain implementations that will come in the future.
Tron04/12/2019
@bhorn But we can't enforce that. Only at first. $ASSETNAME could be sent to someone else.
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
They are unique because they are different asset types.
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
Literally you garentee unique names, then you say nvm... It's like saying this crypto u made is capped at 2000 coins then you say nvm its 1000000
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
From a code perspective its still unique.
bhorn04/12/2019
but the unique names is for the user
being able to trust the name
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
I'd also add, one of the selling points of RVN over ERC-20 is the ability to only have one unique name ever
bhorn04/12/2019
if you open up the $ASSETNAME to the non-original owner, now someone new can squat it
Vincent04/12/2019
so there really hasn't been a good point yet
bhorn04/12/2019
and it is no longer uniquely owned by the original issuer
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Statt getting into same name separate asset things and that starts to get confusing
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
they are de facto unique
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
I think it would be good to have an overview of the benefits and downsides of both ways of implementation.
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
@IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK I think you miscomprehend
Vincent04/12/2019
thats not a good argument
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
Rn we're all kawwing into nothing.
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
Giving the !Ownership token the power to reissue as $Ownership would make our Ownership tokens more valuable, overall.
Tron04/12/2019
What if the system required purchase of the non-restricted asset first. If you want $GOOGLE, buy GOOGLE first.
Chill04/12/2019
superb
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
Yep
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
ohhhhh
NIce Tron
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
Yes, you must own !Ownership
Vincent04/12/2019
agree and will go back to building apple in ur garage yrs before needing restrictes asset
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
that's what i've been saying
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Yessir
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
The owner of !ASSET ought to have enduring, sole right to create $ASSET
whosoever owns it
may then create the $ASSET
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
U got the ownership token, u got the name
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
As soon as tron says it everyone agrees... Lol
Vincent04/12/2019
yes, we all agree to that i believe
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
That's what a lot of us were saying I think
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
I really would dislike it if it would have negative implications for rvn and that few moneyminds will benefit from it.
[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs04/12/2019
i think that could work. So GOOGLE! issues -> $GOOGLE?
Chill04/12/2019
perfect
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
I think some of us were phrasing it differently or conceiving of it differently because some of us are thinking from a user perspective and some are thinking from a developer perspective
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
@[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs Exactly
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
@[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs More specifically, !Google issues > $Google
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
yeah exactly
Chill04/12/2019
Then, if there is some sort of new token that is needed in the future, GOOGLE has already secured the rights to create that one as well
Tron04/12/2019
The exclamation mark is at the end.
Hans_Schmidt04/12/2019
That's exactly what I proposed earlier. Create or buy owner first. Then restrict for another fee.
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
I always mess that up. putting the ! at the beginning
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
I know for a matter of fact multiple people own many assets in here. I want to remain neutral here. But you guys speak for your own interest, not for the project.
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
How much should restricted fee be?
Tron04/12/2019
Oh no, the price discussion. :wink:
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
gotta go!
run tron!
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
@Hardman (CEO - dipshit) a community coin takes into consideration everyone's interest
theking04/12/2019
@Tron that makes a lot of sense. Buy the non restricted first and only when you own that can you purchase or create a restricted.
Vincent04/12/2019
i disagree @Hardman (CEO - dipshit) there hasnt been a good counter argument
Synicide04/12/2019
sounds like a great solution, and fixes the !UNIQUE + $UNIQUE <> UNIQUE issue many have
Tron04/12/2019
I'm becoming convinced on the asset name thing.
[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs04/12/2019
How much do you think is should cost to make a restricted asset guys/girls?
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
I was thinking 750-1000
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
500RVN
Gintonic (sold Honda)04/12/2019
Same as unique - 500
RavenLord 🐦04/12/2019
500
Vincent04/12/2019
i dont like the fixed cost discussion (old fight)
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Or maybe if u already own the !asset, just add another 250-500 to get it created
Synicide04/12/2019
It needs to cost enough to where only people that need that functionality buy it IMO
Chill04/12/2019
Since we do not know whether any future types of tokens will be needed (as the future is not set yet), giving one name control over that name in all current assets and future types of assets is a logical solution. It's a future-proof solution
Hans_Schmidt04/12/2019
same as create new main asset
RigbyMiner04/12/2019
restricted asset should cost 3-5 times that of a regular asset.
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
Then, if it costs money, why would YOU only be able to register it?
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
100 for sub. 500 for main. 2500 for restricted?
5x 5x?
Tron04/12/2019
(750+250+500+5000+500) / 5
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
IMO restricted assets add extra user tools to the OG assets so they should cost more than 500 to create
Chill04/12/2019
The cost for the restricted token should be only commensurate with the cost to the network imo
Vincent04/12/2019
when the coin is accepted by the masses, there will be plenty of burning
no need for inflated (imo)
nobody is gonna issue restricted, just because
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
Plus I think the difference in cost should also promote usage of the OG asset when a user doesn't need the added functionality of a restricted asset
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
if you think about it a restricted already costs more than a main, because it includes having already paid for the main
Hans_Schmidt04/12/2019
Before we run out of time- What is the current eta for restricted/messaging mainnet release - How much time to security debug? Are there plans for another bug bounty program?
Jeroz04/12/2019
What if I want only my guild members or game buyers to trade my coins or items or dragon kill points. Why should I pay more for an asset then?
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
I'd like to thank everyone for attending the #governance-meeting today :joy::joy::joy:
Gintonic (sold Honda)04/12/2019
Unpopular thought: Could we let the devs to discuss about other issues?
Tron04/12/2019
We are going to have another wallet for Android that does BIP44 and handles assets. There will be a classic RVN only wallet, and an asset-aware wallet that is seed-compatible with iOS wallet.
Coming soon. Testing it in the next few hours.
traysi ★★★★★04/12/2019
The last wallet was not released as open source. Will the next one be?
Vincent04/12/2019
wen wallet for my windows phone???
Jeroz04/12/2019
Quick before the end and while I’m walking to pick up my son:
I'm not sure if I can make the meeting but wanted to show a list of things that are going on outside of the core development and things that I think deserve attention:
- Ravenland made an OS for the PI, which significantly reduces the difficulty threshold of creating full nodes. https://ravencoinos.org/. I am still planning on helping @push | ravenland.org with some tools for it but very swamped with work lately (Sorry @push | ravenland.org!)
- Mangofarm is very busy developing their web-wallet and asset management services. https://www.mangofarmassets.com/. There will be new features coming.
- Mangofarm is in a far stage with Trezor integration and just finished their first transaction.
- Mangofarm and Ravenland are busy setting up an IPFS swarm to make sure all RVN data will stay active. Reach out to them if you like to be a part of it.
- I am in continuous talks with people/services interested in supporting RVN (I get mainly approached on telegram). And would like to mention once again that, imho, Raven could greatly benefit from a bounty system like: https://bounty.bitcoin.com/. Not only to 1 attract devs but also because 2 people don't know how to donate (yes I am getting the question), 3 current community funds are poorly managed, if at all, 4 there are coin services emerging where trading fees can be routed back to community projects and without going into details, I do talk to some.
Tron04/12/2019
It is open source. Both will be.
traysi ★★★★★04/12/2019
Current Android wallet is not on github.
Tron04/12/2019
Super cool stuff from Ravenland and MangoFarm !!!!
[Master] Roshii04/12/2019
https://github.com/RavenProject/ravenwallet-android
GitHub
RavenProject/ravenwallet-android
Contribute to RavenProject/ravenwallet-android development by creating an account on GitHub.
traysi ★★★★★04/12/2019
Latest commit 5134271 on Oct 4, 2018
Tron04/12/2019
Could we use the same people that did the legal fund to do a bounty fund?
traysi ★★★★★04/12/2019
Is that the latest version @[Master] Roshii ?
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
Bounty for what @Tron
[Master] Roshii04/12/2019
Yes
Tron04/12/2019
For the wallet for download.
That will become RVN Wallet Classic.
traysi ★★★★★04/12/2019
It seems some people are using an android wallet different than that one.
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
back to the discussion on the Restricted asset cost - it seems to me that it should be 5k +, as it's such a specialized use case (institutions)... KYC/AML shouldn't be cheap
CPT d0JA04/12/2019
im all for bounties for things but they must be discussed upon and agreed in public space and i dont think its fair if certain people have access to that knowledge of bounties before they are posted to get a head start on the work and claim the bounty right after its posted
my 2 pennies
Tron04/12/2019
The PR in there is for asset support. We're testing this afternoon
Vincent04/12/2019
@DirkDiggler (RVN ded) i think cheap, the more users the merrier
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
Def needs to be real expensive... I dont wanna see a market for this
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
@CPT d0JA I agree with you. All should be done and agreed upon in public. Nothing in backrooms.
Tron04/12/2019
So I have a "cheap" and a "real expensive". PERFECT!
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
consensus :)
kott04/12/2019
must be expensive
Vincent04/12/2019
we want RVN used...make it affordable for all
bhorn04/12/2019
i'm with wider-use
less expensive
Tron04/12/2019
Two cheaps and two real expensive.
Vincent04/12/2019
to be continued......
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
these guys arent seeing the big picture of who would be using this type of asset
cheap is a relative term
CPT d0JA04/12/2019
so moving forward if people have some good ideas for bounties they should be posted in a public space and then discussed amongst the community, there should be no closed room discussions or people in power making the decisions on which bounties are posted, especially for things the coin doesnt need.
Synicide04/12/2019
tags can be used for many use cases outside of KYC though, as Tron has used subscriptions as an example
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
as is expensive...
Vincent04/12/2019
@Tronare u aware of any tokens, like vinsent, that will issue and burn a lot of coin just based on the use plan?
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
unique assets, despite being only 5RVN could burn a lot of RVN
theDopeMedic04/12/2019
What would that do to the burn if it's more expensive?
Hardman (CEO - dipshit)04/12/2019
I think the choice should be made in a way that its good for the basis of the project, not for interest of a few, sounds harsh I know. What if new asset_types arise, will those owning the current asset always get a freecard to get it first? Wouldn't be fair.
Vincent04/12/2019
agree
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
5000 ravens burned to KYC folks is a bargain... and it helps all us dipshit bag holders of RVN
Vincent04/12/2019
if GM tokenized each vehicle...they would burn a lot annually
bhorn04/12/2019
imagine years down the road, if price continues to increase
Tron04/12/2019
I agree that the types of organizations that would use for SEC compliance are not going to worry whether it costs $5 or $100. But some subscription, games, vip groups, etc. may be more price sensitive.
Vincent04/12/2019
why are u worrying about the cost of running other peoples business tho...it is about RVN acceptance
CPT d0JA04/12/2019
increasing the burn rate has the negative affect of reducing the total number of assets that can be created on ravencoin
bhorn04/12/2019
it could get to the point where its prohibitively expensive to use the chain
Synicide04/12/2019
we don't want to price out that small guy wanting to run a subscription based platform though, we want as widespread usage as possible
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
What jf we did something like this :
The more charachers, the cheaper it gets
Let the big corps pay alot on their 3 letters
Vincent04/12/2019
overload
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
Then small corps can pay less with their 5+ letter assers
Tron04/12/2019
We do want usage (now). But we want the costs to reflect the real cost of chain usage so we don't mess up scaling.
theDopeMedic04/12/2019
Assuming everyone who already owns an asset (19059) issues a restricted at 5k, then that burns 95,285,000 RVN. Not just that, it may be prohibitive to the small guy.
liqdmetal04/12/2019
500 for original and 1500 for restricted (tohelp cover extra on chain burden) is my vote
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
cost of the restricted asset isn't a hill i am ready to die on... i just think it should be more costly than a standard asset
Vincent04/12/2019
plus think of develping nations...their 'restricted' needs may be much different and expensive will have them lok for alternatives
Tron04/12/2019
@liqdmetal I like that range.
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
1500 would be good in my book as well
Synicide04/12/2019
I hadn't picked a number in mind, but I like that range too
liqdmetal04/12/2019
so total cost for a restricted would be 500 + 1500
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
2k all in? i like
Vincent04/12/2019
500/500
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
Sounds good to me
Tron04/12/2019
Everybody was all at 500/1500 until Vincent. WTH
Vincent04/12/2019
haha
Tron04/12/2019
Just kidding.
kott04/12/2019
ignore him 500/1500 is perfect
Vincent04/12/2019
i voted cheap first
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
there is always one in the crowd :)
theDopeMedic04/12/2019
Is there are favorite horse with the @Core Developer s?
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
roger that
𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖔𝖓 𝕳𝖆𝖗𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖔 CEO ∞04/12/2019
wait, i didn't approve anything yet :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
I see 1500 being reasonable and scalable.
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
2k all in for the ! and the $
A reasonable compromise
Synicide04/12/2019
neither of them is bad when we keep in mind Restricted cost is the sum of both
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
@theDopeMedic seabiscuit
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
manowar
[Master] Roshii04/12/2019
Yes there is are favorite horse with the Core Devs
theDopeMedic04/12/2019
Tonto
bhorn04/12/2019
i'm more agreeable to the higher price given that you need UNIQUE! to get $UNIQUE as well.
Vincent04/12/2019
so we agree. table this decision :nerd:
[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs04/12/2019
I think we did some good discussion today. Lets call it.
Tron04/12/2019
This was actually really productive. I like where we landed.
Cheers, everyone.
Rikki RATTOE Sr. SEC Impresantor04/12/2019
I'd be ok w 500/1500
[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs04/12/2019
Can we close the channel
@Moderator
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
Thanks everyone.
Gintonic (sold Honda)04/12/2019
Thanks
Vincent04/12/2019
:thumbsup:
DirkDiggler (RVN ded)04/12/2019
have a good weekend
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
Byr
theDopeMedic04/12/2019
Thanks everyone! :beers:
S1LVA | GetRavencoin.org04/12/2019
Happy feet
Seal Clubber04/12/2019
Oh no
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
:bepbep:... I had to srry
neil04/12/2019
Close!
theDopeMedic04/12/2019
https://tenor.com/view/thanos-confused-gif-11877270
Sevvy (not worried til 500sats)04/12/2019
Thanks Tron
Thanks Devs!
Chill04/12/2019
I'm ok with 500/500 up to 500/1500
Seal Clubber04/12/2019
That would be 2k total right
IRSJonPizza | JON.NETWORK04/12/2019
Quik mas
Vincent04/12/2019
i dont plan on having any restricted assets but just think worldwide it will help the coin to keep it real user friendly
traysi ★★★★★04/12/2019
@[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs Try closing the channel
Looks like that works.
[Dev-Happy] Blondfrogs04/12/2019
Yep it did :smiley:
i got permissions now :smiley:
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IRC Log from Ravencoin Open Developer Meeting - Aug 24, 2018

[14:05] <@wolfsokta> Hello Everybody, sorry we're a bit late getting started
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[14:06] <@wolfsokta> Here are the topics we would like to cover today • 2.0.4 Need to upgrade - What we have done to communicate to the community • Unique Assets • iOS Wallet • General Q&A
[14:06] == Chatturga changed the topic of #ravencoin-dev to: 2.0.4 Need to upgrade - What we have done to communicate to the community • Unique Assets • iOS Wallet • General Q&A
[14:06] <@wolfsokta> Daben, could you mention what we have done to communicate the need for the 2.0.4 upgrade?
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[14:07] <@wolfsokta> Others here are free to chime in where they saw the message first.
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[14:08] Whats up bois
[14:08] hi everyone
[14:08] hi hi
[14:08] <@wolfsokta> Discussing the 2.0.4 update and the need to upgrade.
[14:08] <@Chatturga> Sure. As most of you are aware, the community has been expressing concerns with the difficulty oscillations, and were asking that something be done to the difficulty retargeting. Many people submitted suggestions, and the devs decided to implement DGW.
[14:09] <@Tron> I wrote up a short description of why we're moving to a new difficulty adjustment. https://medium.com/@tronblack/ravencoin-dark-gravity-wave-1da0a71657f7
[14:09] <@Chatturga> I have made posts on discord, telegram, bitcointalk, reddit, and ravencointalk.org from testnet stages through current.
[14:10] <@Chatturga> If there are any other channels that can reach a large number of community members, I would love to have more.
[14:10] <@wolfsokta> Thanks Tron, that hasn't been shared to the community at large yet, but folks feel free to share it.
[14:10] When was this decision made and by whom and how?
[14:10] <@Chatturga> I have also communicated with the pool operators and exchanges about the update. Of all of the current pools, only 2 have not yet updated versions.
[14:11] <@wolfsokta> The decision was made by the developers through ongoing requests for weeks made by the community.
[14:12] <@wolfsokta> Evidence was provided by the community of the damages that could be caused to projects when the wild swings continue.
[14:12] So was there a meeting or vote? How can people get invited
[14:12] <@Tron> It was also informed by my conversations with some miners that recommended that we make the change before the coin died. They witnessed similar oscillations from which other coins never recovered.
[14:13] only two pools left to upgrade is good, what about the exchanges? Any word on how many of those have/have not upgraded?
[14:13] <@wolfsokta> We talked about here in our last meeting Bruce_. All attendees were asked if they had any questions or concerns.
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[14:13] sup roshii long time no see
[14:14] <@Chatturga> Bittrex, Cryptopia, and IDCM have all either updated or have announced their intent to update.
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[14:15] sup russki
[14:15] what's the status here?
[14:15] I don’t think that was at all clear from the last dev meeting
[14:15] I can’t be the only person who didn’t understand it
[14:15] <@wolfsokta> Are there any suggestions on how to communicate the need to upgrade even further? I am concerned that others might also not understand.
[14:17] I’m not sold on the benefit and don’t understand the need for a hard fork — I think it’s a bad precedent to simply go rally exchanges to support a hard fork with little to no discussion
[14:17] so just to note, the exchanges not listed as being upgraded or have announced their intention to upgrade include: qbtc, upbit, and cryptobridge (all with over $40k usd volume past 24 hours according to coinmarketcap)
[14:18] <@wolfsokta> I don't agree that there was little or no discussion at all.
[14:19] <@wolfsokta> Looking back at our meeting notes from two weeks ago "fork" was specifically asked about by BrianMCT.
[14:19] If individual devs have the power to simple decide to do something as drastic as a hard fork and can get exchanges and miners to do it that’s got a lot of issues with centralization
[14:19] <@wolfsokta> It had been implemented on testnet by then and discussed in the community for several weeks before that.
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[14:19] howdy
[14:19] Everything I’ve seen has been related to the asset layer
[14:19] I have to agree with Bruce_, though I wasn't able to join the last meeting here. That said I support the fork
[14:20] Which devs made this decision to do a fork and how was it communicated?
[14:20] well mostly the community made the decision
[14:20] Consensus on a change is the heart of bitcoin development and I believe the devs have done a great job building that consensus
[14:20] a lot of miners were in uproar about the situation
[14:20] <@wolfsokta> All of the devs were supporting the changes. It wasn't done in isolation at all.
[14:21] This topic has been a huge discussion point within the RVN mining community for quite some time
[14:21] the community and miners have been having issues with the way diff is adjusted for quite some time now
[14:21] Sure I’m well aware of that -
[14:21] Not sold on the benefits of having difficulty crippled by rented hashpower?
[14:21] The community saw a problem. The devs got together and talked about a solution and implemented a solution
[14:21] I’m active in the community
[14:22] So well aware of the discussions on DGW etc
[14:22] Hard fork as a solution to a problem community had with rented hashpower (nicehash!!) sounds like the perfect decentralized scenario!
[14:23] hard forks are very dangerous
[14:23] mining parties in difficulty drops are too
[14:23] <@wolfsokta> Agreed, we want to keep them to an absolute minimum.
[14:23] But miners motivation it’s the main vote
[14:24] What would it take to convince you that constantly going from 4 Th/s to 500 Gh/s every week is worse for the long term health of the coin than the risk of a hard fork to fix it?
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[14:24] This hardfork does include the asset layer right? if so why is it being delayed in implementation?
[14:24] <@wolfsokta> Come back Tron!
[14:24] coudl it have been implement through bip9 voting?
[14:24] also hard fork is activated by the community! that's a vote thing!
[14:24] @mrsushi to give people time to upgrade their wallet
[14:25] @under, it would be much hard to keep consensus with a bip9 change
[14:25] <@wolfsokta> We investigated that closely Under.
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[14:25] <@wolfsokta> See Tron's post for more details about that.
[14:25] <@spyder_> Hi Tron
[14:25] <@wolfsokta> https://medium.com/@tronblack/ravencoin-dark-gravity-wave-1da0a71657f7
[14:25] Sorry about that. Computer went to sleep.
[14:26] I'm wrong
[14:26] 2 cents. the release deadline of october 31st puts a bit of strain on getting code shipped. (duh). but fixing daa was important to the current health of the coin, and was widely suppported by current mining majority commuity. could it have been implemented in a different manner? yes . if we didnt have deadlines
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[14:27] sushi this fork does not include assets. it's not being delayed though, we're making great progress for an Oct 31 target
[14:28] I don’t see the urgency but my vote doesn’t matter since my hash power is still CPUs
[14:28] <@wolfsokta> We're seeing the community get behind the change as well based on the amount of people jumping back in to mine through this last high difficulty phase.
[14:28] So that will be another hardfork?
[14:28] the fork does include the asset code though set to activate on oct 30th
[14:28] yes
[14:29] <@wolfsokta> Yes, it will based on the upgrade voting through the BIP9 process.
[14:29] I wanted to ask about burn rates from this group: and make a proposal.
[14:29] we're also trying hard to make it the last for awhile
[14:29] Can you clear up the above — there will be this one and another hard fork?
[14:29] <@wolfsokta> Okay, we could discuss that under towards the end of the meeting.
[14:30] If this one has the asset layer is there something different set for October
[14:30] <@wolfsokta> Yes, there will be another hard fork on October 31st once the voting process is successful.
[14:31] <@wolfsokta> The code is in 2.0.4 now and assets are active on testnet
[14:31] Bruce, the assets layer is still being worked on. Assets is active on mainnet. So in Oct 31 voting will start. and if it passes, the chain will fork.
[14:31] this one does NOT include assets for mainnet Bruce -- assets are targeted for Oct 31
[14:31] not***
[14:31] not active****
[14:31] correct me if I'm wrong here, but if everyone upgrades to 2.0.4 for this fork this week, the vote will automatically pass on oct 31st correct? nothing else needs to be done
[14:31] Will if need another download or does this software download cover both forks?
[14:31] <@wolfsokta> Correct Urgo
[14:32] thats how the testnet got activated and this one shows "asset activation status: waiting until 10/30/2018 20:00 (ET)"
[14:32] Will require another upgrade before Oct 31
[14:32] thank you for the clarification wolfsokta
[14:32] <@wolfsokta> It covers both forks, but we might have additional bug fixes in later releases.
[14:32] So users DL one version now and another one around October 30 which activates after that basically?
[14:33] I understand that, but I just wanted to make it clear that if people upgrade to this version for this fork and then don't do anything, they are also voting for the fork on oct 31st
[14:33] Oh okay — one DL?
[14:33] Bruce, Yes.
[14:33] Ty
[14:33] well there is the issue that there maybe some further consensus bugs dealing with the pruneability of asset transactions that needs to be corrected between 2.0.4 and mainnet. so i would imagine that there will be further revisions required to upgrade before now and october 31
[14:33] @under that is correct.
[14:34] I would highly recommend bumping the semver up to 3.0.0 for the final pre 31st release so that the public know to definitely upgrade
[14:34] @under +1
[14:35] out of curiosity, have there been many bugs found with the assets from the version released in july for testnet (2.0.3) until this version? or is it solely a change to DGW?
[14:35] <@wolfsokta> That's not a bad idea under.
[14:35] <@spyder_> @under good idea
[14:35] @urgo. Bugs are being found and fixed daily.
[14:35] Any time the protocol needs to change, there would need to be a hard fork (aka upgrade). It is our hope that we can activate feature forks through the BIP process (as we are doing for assets). Mining pools and exchanges will need to be on the newest software at the point of asset activation - should the mining hash power vote for assets.
[14:35] blondfrogs: gotcha
[14:35] There have been bugs found (and fixed). Testing continues. We appreciate all the bug reports you can give us.
[14:36] <@wolfsokta> Yes! Thank you all for your help in the community.
[14:37] (pull requests with fixes and test coverage would be even better!)
[14:37] asset creation collision is another major issue. current unfair advantage or nodes that fore connect to mining pools will have network topologies that guarantee acceptance. I had discussed the possibility of fee based asset creation selection and i feel that would be a more equal playing ground for all users
[14:38] *of nodes that force
[14:38] <@wolfsokta> What cfox said, we will always welcome development help.
[14:38] So just to make sure everyone know. When assets is ready to go live on oct 31st. Everyone that wants to be on the assets chain without any problems will have to download the new binary.
[14:39] <@wolfsokta> The latest binary.
[14:39] under: already in the works
[14:39] excellent to hear
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[14:39] <@wolfsokta> Okay, we've spent a bunch of time on that topic and I think it was needed. Does anybody have any other suggestions on how to get the word out even more?
[14:40] maybe preface all 2.0.X releases as pre-releases... minimize the number of releases between now and 3.0 etc
[14:41] <@wolfsokta> Bruce_ let's discuss further offline.
[14:41] wolfsokta: which are the remaining two pools that need to be upgraded? I've identified qbtc, upbit, and cryptobridge as high volume exchanges that haven't said they were going to do it yet
[14:41] so people can help reach out to them
[14:41] f2pool is notoriously hard to contact
[14:41] are they on board?
[14:42] <@wolfsokta> We could use help reaching out to QBTC and Graviex
[14:42] I can try to contact CB if you want?
[14:42] <@Chatturga> The remaining pools are Ravenminer and PickAxePro.
[14:42] <@Chatturga> I have spoken with their operators, the update just hasnt been applied yet.
[14:42] ravenminer is one of the largest ones too. If they don't upgrade that will be a problem
[14:42] okay good news
[14:42] (PickAxePro sounds like a Ruby book)
[14:43] I strongly feel like getting the word out on ravencoin.org would be beneficial
[14:44] that site is sorely in need of active contribution
[14:44] Anyone can volunteer to contribute
[14:44] <@wolfsokta> Okay, cfox can you talk about the status of unique assets?
[14:44] sure
[14:45] <@wolfsokta> I'll add website to the end of our topics.
[14:45] code is in review and will be on the development branch shortly
[14:45] would it make sense to have a page on the wiki (or somewhere else) that lists the wallet versions run by pools & exchanges?
[14:45] will be in next release
[14:45] furthermore, many sites have friendly link to the standard installers for each platform, if the site linked to the primary installers for each platform to reduce github newb confusion that would be good as well
[14:46] likely to a testnetv5 although that isn't settled
[14:46] <@wolfsokta> Thanks cfox.
[14:46] <@wolfsokta> Are there any questions about unique assets, and how they work?
[14:47] after the # are there any charachters you cant use?
[14:47] will unique assets be constrained by the asset alphanumeric set?
[14:47] ^
[14:47] <@Chatturga> @Urgo there is a page that tracks and shows if they have updated, but it currently doesnt show the actual version that they are on.
[14:47] a-z A-Z 0-9
[14:47] <@Chatturga> https://raven.wiki/wiki/Exchange_notifications#Pools
[14:47] There are a few. Mostly ones that mess with command-line
[14:47] you'll be able to use rpc to do "issueunique MATRIX ['Neo','Tank','Tank Brother']" and it will create three assets for you (MATRIX#Neo, etc.)
[14:47] @cfox - No space
[14:48] @under the unique tags have an expanded set of characters allowed
[14:48] Chatturga: thank you
[14:48] @UJP yes there are some you can't use -- I'll try to post gimmie a sec..
[14:49] Ok. Thank you much!
[14:49] 36^36 assets possible and 62^62 uniques available per asset?
[14:49] <@spyder_> std::regex UNIQUE_TAG_CHARACTERS("^[[email protected]$%&*()[\\]{}<>_.;?\\\\:]+$");
[14:50] regex UNIQUE_TAG_CHARACTERS("^[[email protected]$%&*()[\\]{}<>_.;?\\\\:]+$")
[14:50] oh thanks Mark
[14:51] <@wolfsokta> Okay, next up. I want to thank everybody for helping test the iOS wallet release.
[14:51] <@wolfsokta> We are working with Apple to get the final approval to post it to the App Store
[14:51] @under max asset length is 30, including unique tag
[14:51] Does the RVN wallet have any other cryptos or just RVN?
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[14:52] will the android and ios source be migrated to the ravenproject github?
[14:52] I've been adding beta test users. I've added about 80 new users in the last few days.
[14:52] <@wolfsokta> Just RVN, and we want to focus on adding the asset support to the wallet.
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[14:53] <@wolfsokta> Yes, the code will also be freely available on GitHub for both iOS and Android. Thank you Roshii!
[14:53] Would you consider the iOS wallet to be a more secure place for one's holdings than say, a Mac connected to the internet?
[14:53] will there be a chance of a more user freindly wallet with better graphics like the iOS on PC?
[14:53] the android wallet is getting updated for DGW, correct?
[14:53] <@wolfsokta> That has come up in our discussion Pizza.
[14:54] QT framework is pretty well baked in and is cross platform. if we get some qt gurus possibly
[14:54] Phones are pretty good because the wallet we forked uses the TPM from modern phones.
[14:54] Most important is to write down and safely store your 12 word seed.
[14:54] TPM?
[14:54] <@wolfsokta> A user friendly wallet is one of our main goals.
[14:55] TPM == Trusted Platform Module
[14:55] Ahhh thanks
[14:55] just please no electron apps. they are full of security holes
[14:55] <@spyder_> It is whats makes your stuffs secure
[14:55] not fit for crypto
[14:55] under: depends on who makes it
[14:55] The interface screenshots I've seen look like Bread/Loaf wallet ... I assume that's what was forked from
[14:55] ;)
[14:56] <@wolfsokta> @roshii did you see the question about the Android wallet and DGW?
[14:56] Yes, it was a fork of breadwallet. We like their security.
[14:56] chromium 58 is the last bundled electron engine and has every vuln documented online by google. so unless you patch every vuln.... methinks not
[14:56] Agreed, great choice
[14:57] <@wolfsokta> @Under, what was your proposal?
[14:58] All asset creation Transactions have a mandatory OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY of 1 year(or some agreed upon time interval), and the 500 RVN goes to a multisig devfund, run by a custodial group. We get: 1) an artificial temporary burn, 2) sustainable community and core development funding for the long term, after OSTK/Medici 3) and the reintroduction of RVN supply at a fixed schedule, enabling the removal of the 42k max cap of total As
[14:58] *im wrong on the 42k figure
[14:58] <@wolfsokta> Interesting...
[14:59] <@wolfsokta> Love to hear others thoughts.
[14:59] Update: I posted a message on the CryptoBridge discord and one of their support members @stepollo#6276 said he believes the coin team is already aware of the fork but he would forward the message about the fork over to them right now anyway
[14:59] Ifs 42 million assets
[14:59] yep.
[15:00] I have a different Idea. If the 500 RVN goes to a dev fund its more centralized. The 500 RVN should go back into the unmined coins so miners can stay for longer.
[15:01] *without a hardfork
[15:01] <@wolfsokta> lol
[15:01] that breaks halving schedule, since utxos cant return to an unmined state.
[15:01] @UJP back into coinbase is interesting. would have to think about how that effects distribution schedule, etc.
[15:01] only way to do that would be to dynamicaly grow max supply
[15:02] and i am concerned already about the max safe integer on various platforms at 21 billion
[15:02] js chokes on ravencoin already
[15:02] <@wolfsokta> Other thoughts on Under's proposal? JS isn't a real language. ;)
[15:02] Well Bitcoin has more than 21 bn Sats
[15:02] Is there somebody who wants to volunteer to fix js.
[15:02] hahaha
[15:03] I honestly would hate for the coins to go to a dev fund. It doesn't seem like Ravencoin to me.
[15:03] Yep, but we're 21 billion x 100,000,000 -- Fits fine in a 64-bit integer, but problematic for some languages.
[15:03] <@wolfsokta> Thanks UJP
[15:04] <@wolfsokta> We're past time but I would like to continue if you folks are up for it.
[15:04] Yeah no coins can go anywhere centrality contorted like a dev fund cause that would mean someone has to run it and the code can’t decide that so it’s destined to break
[15:05] currently and long term with out the financial backing of development then improvements and features will be difficult. we are certainly thankful for our current development model. but if a skunkworks project hits a particular baseline of profitability any reasonable company would terminate it
[15:05] Yes let’s contibue for sure
[15:05] the alternative to a dev fund in my mind would be timelocking those funds back to the issuers change address
[15:06] But we can’t have dev built in to the code — it has to be open source like Bitcoin and monero and Litecoin - it’s got drawbacks but way more advantages- it’s the best model
[15:06] Dev funding
[15:06] i highly reccommend not reducing the utility of raven by removing permanently the supply
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[15:07] timelocking those funds accompllishes the same sacrifice
[15:07] @under timelocking is interesting too
[15:07] How exactly does timelocking work?
[15:07] <@wolfsokta> ^
[15:07] I mean you could change the price of assets with the Block reward halfing.
[15:07] == Roshiix [[email protected]/web/freenode/ip.105.67.2.212] has joined #ravencoin-dev
[15:08] funds cant be spent from an address until a certain time passes
[15:08] but in a what magical fairy land do people continue to work for free forever. funding development is a real issue... as much as some might philosphically disagree. its a reality
[15:08] You’d still need a centralized party to decide how to distribute the funds
[15:08] even unofficially blockstream supports bitcoin devs
[15:08] on chain is more transparent imho
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[15:09] @UJP yes there are unlimited strategies. one factor that I think is v important is giving application developers a way to easily budget for projects which leads to flat fees
[15:09] If the project is a success like many of believe it will be, I believe plenty of people will gladly done to a dev fund. I don't think the 500 should be burned.
[15:09] *donate
[15:09] centralized conservatorship, directed by community voting process
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[15:10] <@wolfsokta> Thanks Under, that's an interesting idea that we should continue to discuss in the community. You also mentioned the existing website.
[15:10] It would need to be something where everyone with a QT has a vote
[15:10] think his computer went to sleep again :-/
[15:10] I agree UJP
[15:10] with the website
[15:10] No that’s ico jargon — any development fund tied to code would have to be centralized and would therefor fail
[15:11] ^
[15:11] ^
[15:11] ^
[15:11] dashes model for funding seems to be pretty decentralized
[15:11] community voting etc
[15:11] Once you have a dev fund tied to code then who gets to run it? Who mediates disputes?
[15:11] oh well another discussion
[15:11] Dash has a CEO
[15:12] <@wolfsokta> Yeah, let's keep discussing in the community spaces.
[15:12] Dash does have a good model. It's in my top ten.
[15:12] having the burn go to a dev fund is absolute garbage
[15:12] These dev chats should be more target than broad general discussions — changing the entire nature of the coin and it’s economics is best discussed in the RIPs or other means
[15:13] <@wolfsokta> Yup, let's move on.
[15:13] just becuase existing implementation are garbage doesnt mean that all possible future governance options are garbage
[15:13] <@wolfsokta> To discussing the website scenario mentioned by under.
[15:13] the website needs work. would be best if it could be migrated to github as well.
[15:13] What about this: Anyone can issue a vote once the voting feature has been added, for a cost. The vote would be what the coins could be used for.
[15:14] features for the site that need work are more user friendly links to binaries
[15:14] <@wolfsokta> We investigated how bitcoin has their website in Github to make it easy for contributors to jump in.
[15:14] that means active maintenance of the site instead of its current static nature
[15:15] <@wolfsokta> I really like how it's static html, which makes it super simple to host/make changes.
[15:15] the static nature isn’t due to interface it’s due to no contributors
[15:15] no contribution mechanism has been offered
[15:15] github hosted would allow that
[15:16] We used to run the Bitcoin website from the foundation & the GitHub integration seemed to cause some issues
[15:16] its doesnt necessarily have to be hosted by github but the page source should be on github and contributions could easily be managed and tracked
[15:17] for example when a new release is dropped, the ability for the downlaods section to have platform specific easy links to the general installers is far better for general adoption than pointing users to github releases
[15:18] <@wolfsokta> How do people currently contribute to the existing website?
[15:18] they dont?
[15:18] We did that and it was a complete pain to host and keep working — if someone wants to volunteer to do that work hey can surely make the website better and continually updated — but they could do that in Wordpress also
[15:19] I’d say keep an eye out for volunteers and maybe we can get a group together who can improve the site
[15:19] == digitalvap0r-xmr [[email protected]/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.255.25.134] has joined #ravencoin-dev
[15:19] And they can decide best method
[15:20] I host the source for the explorer on github and anyone can spin it up instantly on a basic aws node. changes can be made to interface etc, and allow for multilingual translations which have been offered by some community members
[15:20] there are models that work. just saying it should be looked at
[15:20] i gotta run thank you all for your contributions
[15:20] <@wolfsokta> I feel we should explore the source for the website being hosted in GitHub and discuss in our next dev meeting.
[15:21] <@Chatturga> Thanks Under!
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[15:21] <@wolfsokta> Thanks, we also need to drop soon.
[15:21] There is no official site so why care. Someone will do better than the next if RVN is worth it anyway. That's already the case.
[15:21] <@wolfsokta> Let's do 10 mins of open Q&A
[15:22] <@wolfsokta> Go...
[15:23] <@Chatturga> Beuller?
[15:24] No questions ... just a comment that the devs and community are great and I'm happy to be a part of it
[15:24] I think everyone moved to discord. I'll throw this out there. How confident is the dev team that things will be ready for oct 31st?
[15:24] <@wolfsokta> Alright! Thanks everybody for joining us today. Let's plan to get back together as a dev group in a couple of weeks.
[15:25] thanks block!
[15:25] <@wolfsokta> Urgo, very confident
[15:25] Please exclude trolls from discord who havent read the whitepaper
[15:25] great :)
[15:25] "things" will be ready..
[15:25] Next time on discord right?
[15:25] woah why discord?
[15:25] some of the suggestions here are horrid
[15:25] this is better less point
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[15:25] Assets are working well on testnet. Plan is to get as much as we can safely test by Sept 30 -- this includes dev contributions. Oct will be heavy testing and making sure it is safe.
[15:26] people
[15:26] <@wolfsokta> Planning on same time, same IRC channel.
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[15:26] @xmr any in particular?
[15:27] (or is "here" discord?)
[15:27] Cheers - Tron
[15:27] "Cheers - Tron" - Tron
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Is everyone aware that MGTI capital and Bitmain are in bed together?

Ok guys just want to make sure you all are aware of this ... Last year John McAfee built a dream team at MGTI capital that included Roger Ver, Erik Voorhies, Bruce Fenton and more BTC big names along with skilled hackers/devs. Then he cut a deal to borrow 1.35million from Bitmain (Jihan Wu)in exchange for a piece of MGTI. This group is now a team whether that is public or not. There is no doubt what coin they now support. The press releases below lay it all out. To me it is obvious they stand behind BCH. So when you see and comments from them know what their end goal is. This groups is on the same page and want to make money. I believe they are doing that by supporting BCH and will make that public when they are ready. This would bring together the largest Chines miner and the largest US based miner on to support BCH.
http://www.investopedia.com/news/mgt-capital-doubles-down-bitcoin-mining-mgti/
http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/MGT-Capital-Provides-Bitcoin-Mining-Update-1002265872
MGTI (John McAfees new company) announces that Roger Ver and Bruce Fenton joined the company as advisors.along with Erik Voorhies. Then MGTI announces
https://bravenewcoin.com/news/mcafees-mgt-capital-partners-with-bitmain-to-create-western-mining-hub/
https://insiderfinancial.com/mgt-capital-investments-inc-nysemktmgt-becoming-a-bitcoin-player
https://news.bitcoin.com/ver-voorhees-fenton-john-mcafee-security/
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Transcript from Ravencoin Open Developer Meeting - Nov. 16, 2018

Tron at 2:03 PM

Topics: Messaging (next phase) UI 2.2 - Build from develop - still working out a few kinks Mobile - Send/Rcv/View Assets - In progress Raven Dev Kit -Status

RavencoinDev at 2:04 PM

Hey Everybody! Let's get started!Thanks Tron for posting the topics.Tron is going talk about Messaging Plans.Let's start there.

Chatturga at 2:06 PM

It looks like this channel is not connected to the IRC. One moment

RavencoinDev at 2:07 PM

Well, we going to move forward as the tech guys fix the IRC connections.

Tron at 2:07 PM

I wanted to have a doc describing the messaging, but it isn't quite ready.I understand this isn't going to IRC yet, but I'm starting anyway.

RavencoinDev at 2:08 PM

Look for it soon on a Medium near you.

Tron at 2:08 PM

Summary version: Every transaction can have an IPFS hash attached.

Vincent at 2:09 PM

any plans for a 'create IPFS' button?

RavencoinDev at 2:09 PM

Yes

Vincent at 2:09 PM

on asset creatin window also?

RavencoinDev at 2:09 PM

Yes

Vincent at 2:09 PM

sweet

Tron at 2:09 PM

IPFS attachments for transactions that send ownership token or channel token back to the same address will be considered broadcast messages for that token.The client will show the message.Some anti-spam measures will be introduced.If a token is in a new address, then messages will be on by default.The second token in an address, the channel will be available, but muted by default.

RavencoinDev at 2:11 PM

That way I can't spam out 21b tokens and then start sending messages to everybody.

Tron at 2:11 PM

We'd like to have messaging in a reference client on all six platforms.

corby at 2:11 PM

Hi!

Tron at 2:11 PM

Photos will not be shown. Messages will be "linkified"

RavencoinDev at 2:12 PM

and plain text.We'll start with the QT wallet support

Tron at 2:12 PM

Any other client is free to show any IPFS message they choose.The messaging is fully transparent.

Rikki RATTOE at 2:13 PM

ok, so messaging isn't private

Tron at 2:13 PM

Anyone could read the chain and see the messages.

RavencoinDev at 2:13 PM

No, never was planned to be private

MSFTserver-mine more @ MinerMore at 2:13 PM

irc link should be fixed

Tron at 2:13 PM

It is possible to put encrypted content in the IPFS, but then you'd have to distribute the key somehow.

RavencoinDev at 2:13 PM

Thanks MSFT!

Chatturga at 2:13 PM

Negative

Tron at 2:14 PM

Core protocol changes Extend the OP_RVN_ASSET to include for any transfer: RVNT <0xHH><0x12><0x20><32 bytes encoding 256 bit IPFS hash> 0xHH - File type 0x00 - NO data, 0x01 - IPFS hash, 0x02 through 0xFF RESERVED 0x12 - IPFS Spec - Using SHA256 hash 0x20 - IPFS Spec - 0x20 in hex specifying a 32 byte hash. …. (32 byte hash in binary)

corby at 2:14 PM

By it's nature nothing on chain is private per se. Just like with wallets you'd need to use crypto to secure messaging between parties.

Tron at 2:14 PM

Advantages: This messaging protocol has the advantage of not filling up the blockchain. The message information is public so IPFS works as a great distributed store. If the messages are important enough, then the message sender can run nodes that "PIN" the message to keep a more durable version. The message system cannot be spoofed because any change in the message will result in a different hash, and therefore the message location will be different. Only the unique token holder can sign the transaction that adds the message. This prevents spam. Message clients (wallets), can opt-in or opt-out of messages by channel. Meta-message websites can allow viewing of all messages, or all messages for a token. A simple single channel system is supported by the protocol, but a channel could be sub-divided by a client to have as many sub-channels as desired. There are no limits on the number of channels per token, but each channel requires the 5 RVN fee to create the channel.

RavencoinDev at 2:14 PM

So, somebody could create their own client and encrypt the data on the blockchain if they wished.

corby at 2:15 PM

Wow Tron types fast

Rikki RATTOE at 2:15 PM

yeah there was some confusion in the community whether messaging would be private and off chain

Tron at 2:15 PM

Anti-Spam Strategy One difficulty we have is that tokens can be sent to any Ravencoin asset holder unsolicited. This happens on other asset platforms like Counterparty. In many cases, this is good, and is a way for asset issuers to get their token known. It is essentially an airdrop. However, combined with the messaging capabilities of Ravencoin, this can, and likely will become a spam strategy. Someone who wants to send messages (probably scams) to Ravencoin asset holders, which they know are crypto-savvy people, will create a token with billions of units, send it to every address, and then message with the talking stick for that token. Unless we preemptively address this problem, Ravencoin messaging will become a useless spam channel. Anyone can stop the messages for an asset by burning the asset, or by turning off the channel. A simple solution is to automatically mute the channel (by default) for the 2nd asset sent to an address. The reason this works is because the assets that you acquire through your actions will be to a newly generated address. The normal workflow would be to purchase an asset on an exchange, or through a ICO/STO sale. For an exchange, you'll provide a withdrawal address, and best practice says you request a new address from the client with File->'Receiving addresses…'->New. To provide an address to the ICO/STO issuer, you would do the same. It is only the case where someone is sending assets unsolicited to you where an address would be re-used for asset tokens. This is not 100% the case, and there may be rare edge-cases, but would allow us to set the channels to listen or silent by default. Assets sent to addresses that were already 'on-chain' can be quarantined. The user can burn them or take them out of quarantine.

RavencoinDev at 2:18 PM

Okay, let me know when/if you guys read through all that. 📷📷2

corby at 2:18 PM

To be clear this is a client-side issue -- anyone will be able to send anything (including messages) to any address on chain..

RavencoinDev at 2:18 PM

It'll be in the Medium post later.

Tron at 2:19 PM

@corby The reference client will only show messages signed by the issuer or designated channels.Who is ready for another wall of text? 📷

corby at 2:19 PM

I hear that's the plan 📷 just pointing out that it is on the client in these cases..

Tron at 2:20 PM

Yes, any client can show anything gleaned from the chain.Goal: A simple message format without photos. URL links are allowed and most clients will automatically "linkify" the message for valid URLs. For display, message file must be a valid json file. { "subject":"This is the optional subject", "message": "This is required.", "expires": 1578034800 } Only "message" is required {"message":"Hello world"}

bhorn at 2:21 PM

expires?

Vincent at 2:21 PM

discount coupon?

Tron at 2:21 PM

If you have a message that worthless (say after a vote), just don't show the message.

bhorn at 2:21 PM

i see - more client side operation

corby at 2:21 PM

/expires

Tron at 2:22 PM

Yep. And the expiration could be used by IPFS pinners to stop worrying about the message. Optional

RavencoinDev at 2:22 PM

If the client sees a message that is expired it just won't display it.

Vincent at 2:23 PM

will that me messaged otherwise may cause confusion?"expired'

RavencoinDev at 2:23 PM

YesWe'll do our best to make it intuitive.

Tron at 2:24 PM

Client handling of messages Pop-up messages or notifications when running live. Show messages for any assets sent to a new address - by default Mute messages for assets sent to an address that was already on-network. Have a setting to not show messages older than X IPFSHash (or 8 bytes of it) =

Rikki RATTOE at 2:25 PM

will there be a file size limit for IPFS creation in the wallet?

RavencoinDev at 2:25 PM

We'll also provide updated documentation.

Tron at 2:26 PM

Excellent question Rikki. Here are some guidelinesGuidelines: Clients are free to show or not show poorly formed messages. Reference clients will limit message display to properly formed messages. If subject is missing, the first line of the message will be used (up to 80 chars). Standard JSON encoding for newlines, tabs, etc. https://www.freeformatter.com/json-escape.html Expiration is optional, but desired. Will stop showing the message after X date, where X is specified as Unix Epoch. Good for invites, voting requests, and other time sensitive messages that have no value after a specific date. By default clients will not show a message after X blocks (default 1 year) Amount of subject shown will be client dependent - Reference client may cut off at 80 chars. Messages longer than 15,000 (about 8 pages) will not be pinned to IPFS by some scanners. Messages longer than 15,000 characters may be rejected altogether by the client. Images will not be shown in reference clients. Other clients may show any IPFS content at their discretion. IPFSHash is only a "published" message if the Admin/Owner or Channel token is sent from/to the same address. This allows for standard transfers with metadata that don't "publish".Free Online JSON Escape / Unescape Tool - FreeFormatter.comA free online tool to escape or unescape JSON strings

RavencoinDev at 2:26 PM

We're hoping to add preferences that will allow the user to customize their messaging experience.

Tron at 2:27 PM

Also, happy to receive feedback from everyone.

corby at 2:27 PM

In theory though if you maintain your own IPFS nodes you should be able to reference files of whatever size right?

Steelers at 2:27 PM

How about a simple Stop light approach - Green (ball) New Message, Yellow (Ball) Expiring Messages, Red (Ball) Expired Messages

RavencoinDev at 2:27 PM

Yes please! That's the point of sharing it here

Chatturga at 2:27 PM

Fixt

push | ravenland.org at 2:28 PM

Thanks @Tron can you provide any details of the coming 'tooling' at the end of november, and what that might enable (apologies as I am a bit late to meeting if this has been asked already)

VeronicaBOT at 2:28 PM

sup guys

Tron at 2:28 PM

Sure, that's coming.

RavencoinDev at 2:28 PM

That's the Raven WebDev Kit topic coming up in a few mins.

push | ravenland.org at 2:29 PM

oki 📷 cheers

RavencoinDev at 2:29 PM

Questions on messaging?

Jeroz at 2:30 PM

Not sure if I missed it, but how fast could you send multiple messages in succession?

BruceFenton at 2:30 PM

Some kind of sweep feature or block feature for both tokens and messages could be useful Certain messages will be illegal to possess in certain jurisdictions If someone sends a picture of Tiennneman tank man in China or a message calling for the overthrow of a ruler it could be illegal for someone to have There’s no way for that jurisdiction to censor the chain So some users might want the option to purge messages or not receive them client side / on the wallet

Tron at 2:30 PM

Messages are a transaction.

RavencoinDev at 2:30 PM

So it'll cost you to spam messages.They can only send a hash to that picture and the client won't display anything not JSON

corby at 2:31 PM

purge/block is the age old email spam

Tron at 2:31 PM

The Reference client - other clients / web sites, etc can show anything they wish.

RavencoinDev at 2:31 PM

You can also burn a token if you never want to receive messages from that token owner.

UserJonPizza|MinePool.com|Mom at 2:32 PM

Can't they just resend the token?

Tron at 2:33 PM

Yes, but it would default to mute.📷2

RavencoinDev at 2:33 PM

meaning it would show up in a spam foldetab

bhorn at 2:33 PM

is muting available for the initial asset as well?

RavencoinDev at 2:33 PM

Something easy to ignore if muted.

Tron at 2:33 PM

@bhorn Yes

BruceFenton at 2:33 PM

Can users nite some assets and not others?

Tron at 2:33 PM

@bhorn It just isn't the default.

BruceFenton at 2:33 PM

Mute

RavencoinDev at 2:33 PM

YesYou can mute per token.

BruceFenton at 2:34 PM

Great

Tron at 2:34 PM

And per token per channel.

Jeroz at 2:34 PM

channels are the subtokens?

BruceFenton at 2:34 PM

What’s per token per channel mean ?

Tron at 2:34 PM

The issuer sends to the "Primary" channel.Token owner can create channels like "Alert", "Emergency", etc.These "talking sticks" are similar to unique assets.📷1ASSET~Channel

RavencoinDev at 2:37 PM

Okay, we have a few more topics to cover today.Tron will post more details on Medium and we can continue discussions there.

Jeroz at 2:38 PM

Ah, I missed channel creation bit for each token with the 5 RVN / channel cost. It makes more sense to me now.

RavencoinDev at 2:38 PM

The developers are working towards posting a new version 2.2 that has the updated UI shown on twitter.

Vincent at 2:39 PM

twit link?

RavencoinDev at 2:39 PM

The consuming of large birds (not ravens) might slow the release a bit.So likely the week after Thanksgiving.

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:39 PM

The new UI will contain: - New menu layout - New icons - Dark mode - Added RVN colors

Dan1666 at 2:39 PM

+1 Dark mode

RavencoinDev at 2:39 PM

DARK MODE!

Dan1666 at 2:40 PM

so pleased about that

RavencoinDev at 2:40 PM

I can honestly say it'll be the nicest crypto wallet out there.

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:40 PM

A little sneak peak, but this is not the final project📷📷6📷3

!S1LVA | MINEPOOL at 2:40 PM

Outstanding

Dan1666 at 2:41 PM

reminds me of Sub7 ui for those that might remember

UserJonPizza|MinePool.com|Mom at 2:41 PM

Can we have an asset count at the top?

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:41 PM

Icons will be changing

Vincent at 2:41 PM

does the 'transfer assets' have a this for that component?

Tron at 2:41 PM

Build from develop to see the sneak preview in action.There may be small glitches depending on OS. These are being worked on.

Rikki RATTOE at 2:41 PM

No plans for the mobile wallet to show an IPFS image I'm assuming? Would be a nice feature if say a retail store could send a QR coupon code to their token holders and they could scan the coupon using their wallet in store

[Dev] Blondfrogs at 2:42 PM

@Vincent That will probably be a different section added later📷1

RavencoinDev at 2:42 PM

Yes, Rikki we do want to support messaging.Looking into how that would work with Apple and Google push.

push | ravenland.org at 2:42 PM

sub7📷1hahaoldschoolit so is similar aswell

[Master] Roshii at 2:43 PM

Messages are transactions no need for any push

Tron at 2:43 PM

@Rikki RATTOE There's a danger in showing graphics where anyone can post anything without accountability for their actions. A client that only shows tokens for a specific asset could do this📷1

RavencoinDev at 2:43 PM

True, unless you want to see the messages even if you haven't opened your wallet in a week.

Rikki RATTOE at 2:44 PM

the only thing I was thinking was if you simply linked the image, somebody could just copy the link and text it off to everyone and the coupon isn't all that exclusive

UserJonPizza|MinePool.com|Mom at 2:44 PM

Maybe a mobile link-up for a easy way to see messages by just importing pubkey(edited)

RavencoinDev at 2:45 PM

Speaking of mobileWe are also getting close to a release of mobile that includes the ability to show assets held, and transfer them.Roshii has been hard at work.📷6📷1

Vincent at 2:46 PM

can be hidden also?

RavencoinDev at 2:47 PM

We're still finalizing the UI design but that is on the list of todos📷1

Under at 2:47 PM

Could we do zerofee mempool messaging that basically gets destroyed after it expires out of the mempool for real-time stealth mode messaging

corby at 2:48 PM

That's interesting!

RavencoinDev at 2:49 PM

There are other solutions available for stealth messaging, that's not what the devs had intended to build. It does sound cool though @Under

Under at 2:50 PM

📷 we’ll keep up the good work. Looking forward to the db upgrades. Will test this weekend

RavencoinDev at 2:50 PM

Thanks!That leaves us with 10 minutes for the Dev Kit!Corby has been working on expanding some of the awesome work that @Under has been doing.

corby at 2:52 PM

Yes -- all of the -addressindex rpc calls are being updated to work with assets

RavencoinDev at 2:52 PM

Hopefully we'll be able to post the source soon once the initial use cases are all working.

corby at 2:52 PM

so assets are being tied into transaction history, utxos, etc

RavencoinDev at 2:52 PM

The devs want to provide a set of API's that make it easy for web developers to build solutions on top of Ravencoin.VinX is investigating the possibility of using Ravencoin to power their solution.

corby at 2:53 PM

will be exposed via insight-api which we've forked from @Under

[Master] Roshii at 2:53 PM

Something worth bringing up is that you will be able to get specific asset daba from full nodes with specific message protocols.

corby at 2:54 PM

also working on js lib for client side construction of asset transactions

Tron at 2:55 PM

Dev Kit will be an ongoing project so others can contribute and extend the APIs and capabilities of the 2nd layer.📷3📷3

RavencoinDev at 2:55 PM

Will be posted soon to the RavenProject GitHub.

corby at 2:55 PM

separate thing but yes Roshii that is worth mentioning -- network layer for getting asset data

RavencoinDev at 2:55 PM

Again want to give thanks to @Under for getting a great start on the project

push | ravenland.org at 2:56 PM

Yes looking forward to seeing more on the extensive api and capabilities, is there a wiki on this anywhere tron?(as to prevent other people replicating eachothers work?)

RavencoinDev at 2:56 PM

The wiki will be in the project on GitHub

push | ravenland.org at 2:56 PM

im guessing when the kit is released, something will appear, okok cool

RavencoinDevat 2:57 PM

Any questions about the Web DevKit?

push | ravenland.orgToday at 2:57 PM

well, what kind of support will it give us, that would be nice, is this written anywhereI'm still relatively new to blockchain<2 yearsso need some hand holding i suppose 📷

bhorn at 2:58 PM

right, what are initial use cases of the devkit?

push | ravenland.org at 2:58 PM

i mean im guessing metamask like capabilitysome kind of smart contract, some automation capabilitiesrpc scriptsstuff like thiseven if proof of concept or examplei guess im wondering if my hopes are realistic 📷

RavencoinDev at 2:59 PM

You can see the awesome work that @Under has already don that we are building on top of.

push | ravenland.org at 2:59 PM

yes @Under is truly a herooki, cool

RavencoinDev at 2:59 PM

https://ravencoin.network/Ravencoin Block ExplorerRavencoin Insight. View detailed information on all ravencoin transactions and blocks.

push | ravenland.org at 2:59 PM

ok, sweet, that is very encouragingthanks @Under for making that code public

corby at 3:00 PM

It will hopefully allow you to write all sorts of clients -- depending on complexity of use case you might just have js lib (wallet functions, ability to post txs to gateway) or a server side project (asset explorer or exchange)..(edited)

Tron at 3:00 PM

Yeah, thanks @Under .

RavencoinDev at 3:00 PM

What's your GitHub URL @Under ?

push | ravenland.org at 3:00 PM

https://github.com/underdarkskies/ i believeGitHub· GitHubunderdarkskies has 31 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.📷

RavencoinDev at 3:00 PM

Yup!

push | ravenland.org at 3:00 PM

he is truly a hero(edited)

RavencoinDev at 3:00 PM

LOL

push | ravenland.org at 3:00 PM

damn o'sgo missing everywhere

RavencoinDev at 3:01 PM

teh o's are hard... Just ask @Chatturga

push | ravenland.org at 3:01 PM

📷

Chatturga at 3:01 PM

O's arent the problem...

push | ravenland.org at 3:01 PM

📷📷

RavencoinDev at 3:02 PM

Alright we're at time and the devs are super busy. Thanks everybody for joining us.

push | ravenland.org at 3:02 PM

thanks guys

RavencoinDev at 3:02 PM

Thank you all for supporting the Raven community.📷6

corby at 3:02 PM

thanks all!

push | ravenland.org at 3:02 PM

keep up the awesome work, whilst bitcoin sv and bitcoin abc fight, another bitcoin fork raven, raven thru the night📷5

Vincent at 3:02 PM

piece!!

RavencoinDev at 3:03 PM

We're amazingly blessed to have you on this ride with us.📷5📷9📷5

Dan1666 at 3:03 PM

gg

BruceFenton at 3:03 PM

📷📷12📷4

UserJonPizza|MinePool.com|Mom at 3:55 PM

Good meeting! Excited for the new QT!!
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"There is no possibility of not 'forking.' In fact a chain fork (hashpower referendum) happens at every block. Merely because the referendum has voted in the incumbent ruleset a great many times in a row does not imply a referendum (chain fork) is not happening every block." ~ u/ForkiusMaximus

https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/68ju8a/utempatroy_uadam3us_unullc_ulukejr_dont_even/dgz7u1r
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/41lpisegwit_economics/cz3cazb/
Bitcoin, as a creature of the market, should be hard forking on a regular basis, because a hard fork is the only time the market gets an opportunity to express its will in anything other than a binary YES/NO fashion. That is, without a hard fork, the market only can push the price up or down, but with a hard fork it can actually select Option A over Option B. It can even assign a relative weighting to those options, especially if coins in the two sides of the fork are allowed to be bought and sold in advance by proxy through futures trading on exchanges (e.g., Bitfinex would let you buy futures in CoreCoins and/or ClassicCoins so that the matter could be resolved before the fork even happens, with the legendary accuracy of a prediction market).
Anything controversial, on which many reasonable people are in disagreement, is the perfect time for a hard fork. The idea that controversial hard forks are to be avoided is not only exactly backwards, to even entertain the idea shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how Bitcoin works and calls into question everything else one might say on the subject.
Hard forks are the market speaking. Soft forks on any issues where there is controversy are an attempt to smother the market in its sleep. Core's approach is fundamentally anti-market and against the very open-source ethos Bitcoin was founded on.
EDIT: Looks like Ben Davenport is on the same page as far as "fork arbitrage."
~ u/ForkiusMaximus
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/61n9y9/bruce_fenton_core_supporters_if_you_dont_like_it/dffz6g1/
People saying Bitcoin isn't antifragile is a contrarian indicator. Look at how different things are now. People are actually debating the dynamics of a hard fork, fork trading, fork futures, and Core is on the run with them being the ones having to discuss a PoW change. Besides this happening pretty slowly, what more could you ask for? Wasn't this in the cards all along?
Bitcoin will be the first cryptocurrency to dash the illusion of incorruptible leaders and blossom to a truly pluralistic development environment where no one dev or group of devs or foundation has de facto final say over changes. No major altcoin has overcome this yet, as all have their own trusty Gavin-like person or Bitcoin Wizards-like groups that is so far navigating everything well. The transition to fully realized Market Governance is a huge step, fraught with peril, but a necessary prerequisite for reaching trillion-dollar market caps.
~ u/ForkiusMaximus
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/4mbmrt/a_sanity_check_appeal_to_greg_co/d3u88jq/
In fairness, Greg and the others have raised one halfway decent point among all the weaseling around: what Classic did was probably the wrong way to get around Core.
Classic framed it as a miner vote, which Greg is calling a coup against "the users." Of course he's trying to bullshit that Core = the community, but there is still a grain of truth left after the BS is washed away. The fact is, Bitcoin doesn't work by miner vote; it works - ultimately - by market vote. The miners should serve as a proxy for that, but due to mining becoming disconnected with nodes (pooled mining) there are indeed like 10 guys who sort of have some possible control over Bitcoin (yes people can just switch pools, but is this the ideal way?).
The rightful remedy to this situation is to put competing forks up to a direct market test: commence fork futures trading on the major Bitcoin exchanges. Investors buy and sell 1MB-BTC futures and 2MB-BTC futures until a clear winner emerges. The market speaks. (And in the unlilely event that no clear winner emerges, the market has expressed its value for a persistent split.) In all cases, hodler purchasing power is unaffected.
Then neither Classic nor any other such fork can be called any kind of coup against the users, by any stretch. The 75% hashpower threshold should be removed. And I don't mean it should be increased to 95%. The blocksize cap in Classic should just be 2MB straight up as a flag day (increase to 2MB at this block...or gradual stepwise increase if prefered).
We have had endless debate because both alternatives were flawed: we should have no miner vote as proxy for a market vote; just a direct market vote. (In the event that the market chooses a persistent split, the minority chain would have to make some hashing and signing tweaks to prevent interference, of course.)
~ u/ForkiusMaximus
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“Tripartite”. Unlike traditional open source project, Bitcoin has three powers. Users are the ultimate power behind those three powers.

  1. There are three powers in Bitcoin. Devs, service providers, and miners. No one has the only say.
Bitcoin's "money policy" can't be completely decided by devs.
We are not traditional opensource software. Its not "devs published codes, you either use it or go to altcoins". No, not this.
Miners are also one channel for users to express their opinions.
  1. It's difficult for users to decide directly. Practically, users will express their opinions through above three powers.
  2. Each part can be corrupted. When the situation becomes severe, the other two powers can overcome the corrupted one.
Although the centralization of mining is apparent, but it's not severe enough to be considered "corrupted".
When the usage of Litecoin block capacity is over 50%, we will start to prepare for a solution to increase the 1MB block size limit through a hardfork or softfork.
Anyway, I dont think its a compromise. Its a win. Why were we angry with Bitmain? One reason is that they impeded the "tested & soft fork" SW capacity lift. We certainly want to increase the limit if it's necessary. but, how can we define "necessary? I think "50%" is not bad as a proposal.
  1. It's not polite to impede upgrades in order to get such promise. But it's understandable.
I think, capacity lift through hard fork is inevitable. One Core contributor initiated a survey ~1 months ago, Majority users wanted a hard fork being implemented in for before 2018.
But, as Bruce Fenton said, no one has the authority to sign any agreement for "core" because it's not structured. But there is sill certain leadership.
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Subreddit Stats: CryptoCurrency top posts from 2016-03-26 to 2017-03-25 06:16 PDT

Period: 363.66 days
Submissions Comments
Total 1000 5933
Rate (per day) 2.75 16.28
Unique Redditors 374 1711
Combined Score 21623 13093

Top Submitters' Top Submissions

  1. 1930 points, 78 submissions: Coinosphere
    1. Bitcoin expected to become part of everyday life in the Caribbean within eighteen months as banks abandon the region (70 points, 11 comments)
    2. Marijuana now legal in eight more US States while vendors get more bitcoin options (66 points, 0 comments)
    3. Bitfinex hacked, halts trading, deposits, and withdrawals - 119,756 BTC lost so far with no insurance (60 points, 5 comments)
    4. Hacker holds San Francisco railway to ransom, demands 100 bitcoins (59 points, 8 comments)
    5. South Korea plans national digital currency using a Blockchain (52 points, 6 comments)
    6. Santander says ‘Yes to bitcoin’ in Brazil (50 points, 3 comments)
    7. Ukraine to be the first government to integrate blockchain technology, targets corruption (48 points, 1 comment)
    8. 50% of all consumers would use bank alternatives, including bitcoin, as Bank irrelevance grows (46 points, 0 comments)
    9. Core Bitcoin developer uncovers possible plot by ChainAnchor to force AML onto Bitcoin (46 points, 9 comments)
    10. Seafile replaces Paypal with bitcoin after Paypal privacy shenanigans (46 points, 0 comments)
  2. 930 points, 39 submissions: helmsk
    1. Countdown: Bitcoin Will Be a Legal Method of Payment in Japan in Two Months (88 points, 2 comments)
    2. Bitcoin Transactions Declared VAT-Exempt in Norway (85 points, 3 comments)
    3. Zeronet Wants to Replace the Dark Web by Marrying Bitcoin to Bittorrent Over Tor (46 points, 3 comments)
    4. Central Bank of Nigeria Says ‘We Can’t Stop Bitcoin’ (44 points, 6 comments)
    5. New Image Hosting Service Pays Thousands of Uploaders in Bitcoin (43 points, 4 comments)
    6. Coinbase Exits as Hawaii Requires Bitcoin Companies to Hold Fiat Reserves (39 points, 7 comments)
    7. Europe Lays Out Roadmap to Restrict Payments in Cash and Cryptocurrencies (35 points, 1 comment)
    8. One of These 5 Hyperinflating Economies Could Adopt Bitcoin in 2017 (32 points, 6 comments)
    9. Polish Bitcoin Adoption Escalating with Strong Ecosystem (30 points, 1 comment)
    10. A Look At Bitcoin Bubbles, When Will the Next One Be? (25 points, 6 comments)
  3. 846 points, 36 submissions: e-ok
    1. Europe Will Have Power to Ban Blockchain Tech in January 2018 (51 points, 20 comments)
    2. Bitcoin Projects on Github Surpass 10,000 (47 points, 3 comments)
    3. Italy's Largest Taxi Fleet Accepts Bitcoin (46 points, 2 comments)
    4. Bitcoin Symbol Left Out of Unicode's Latest Version (42 points, 4 comments)
    5. Malta's Prime Minister Says Europe Should Become the Bitcoin Continent (40 points, 3 comments)
    6. SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin ETF (32 points, 0 comments)
    7. Bitcoin Price Poised for a Breakout, Technical Analysis Shows (31 points, 5 comments)
    8. ECB to EU: Tighter Regulations, Less Anonymity on Digital Currencies (29 points, 8 comments)
    9. OpenBazaar 2.0 Now Running on Tor Network (27 points, 0 comments)
    10. Trump's Trade War With China Could Boost Chinese Bitcoin Demand (27 points, 8 comments)
  4. 801 points, 39 submissions: Posternut
    1. ‘Decentralized Reddit’ Steemit Awards $1.3 Million to Users (48 points, 15 comments)
    2. IBM Invests $200M Into Blockchain and IoT Research at German Headquarters (45 points, 2 comments)
    3. Bitcoin Price Rally Rages on, Market Cap Passes $10Bn USD (34 points, 0 comments)
    4. Apple Tells Jaxx To Remove Dashpay (31 points, 32 comments)
    5. Secret Chinese Bitcoin Mines Are Mining Millions (31 points, 4 comments)
    6. A Decentralized World Has No Kings (29 points, 0 comments)
    7. China's Social Security Fund to Use Blockchain Technology (28 points, 3 comments)
    8. FBI Director: 'There's No Such Thing As Absolute Privacy’ (28 points, 4 comments)
    9. Kim Dotcom’s Mega & Bitcoin ‘Baby’ Will Be Born This January (28 points, 5 comments)
    10. BitPay Launches Loadable Visa (27 points, 0 comments)
  5. 784 points, 35 submissions: CryptoCurrencyNews
    1. Libertarian City Liberstad in Norway is Moving Forward Using Bitcoin as Primary Currency (67 points, 8 comments)
    2. What Is the Flippening? (53 points, 16 comments)
    3. Only 807 People Have Declared Bitcoin for Tax Purposes According to IRS (40 points, 12 comments)
    4. Storj to Migrate Decentralized Storage Service to Ethereum Blockchain (40 points, 5 comments)
    5. Darknet Marketplace AlphaBay Will Enable Ethereum Payments Soon (35 points, 14 comments)
    6. The Trump Administration is Buying Into Blockchain Tech (35 points, 5 comments)
    7. Coinbase Receives Approval To Trade Ether and Litecoin in New York (32 points, 2 comments)
    8. Bitcoin's Price Just Finished its First Month Above $1,000 (29 points, 1 comment)
    9. Chinese Central Bank Requiring Extreme Customer Verifications at Exchanges (29 points, 5 comments)
    10. The EU is Now Targeting “Unpermissioned” Blockchains (29 points, 10 comments)
  6. 633 points, 35 submissions: twigwam
    1. Creator of the JavaScript language and early Internet pioneer plans blockchain-based digital ad platform on the Ethereum network (40 points, 18 comments)
    2. NYTimes on Ethereum... (37 points, 15 comments)
    3. The Disaster that is Bitcoin (35 points, 20 comments)
    4. Bitcoin is a Highly Centralized Network, Says Harvard Researcher - CCN (31 points, 14 comments)
    5. Gavin: Ethereum will outgrow Bitcoin at this pace. (28 points, 9 comments)
    6. The Amount of Self-Proclaimed Ethereum Experts Surpasses 3,000 On LinkedIn (25 points, 8 comments)
    7. [The Economist] Ethereum: One blockchain to rule them all? - talk with Vitalik Buterin (25 points, 0 comments)
    8. How the blockchain will radically transform the economy | Bettina Warburg (22 points, 9 comments)
    9. Vitalik Buterin to Debut Ethereum Scaling Paper at Devcon - CoinDesk (22 points, 7 comments)
    10. [Coinbase] "is convinced that public blockchains and cryptocurrencies would eventually produce greater innovation, just as the open Internet has changed society more than private intranets have." - Forbes in-depth article (20 points, 0 comments)
  7. 522 points, 20 submissions: olivercarding
    1. Bitcoin Activity in India Has Doubled Since the Banknote Ban (58 points, 0 comments)
    2. Apple Approves Steem, Lisk and Digicash for App Store; Rejects Ethereum Classic (57 points, 10 comments)
    3. Bitcoin Has Many Fans at Amazon According to Purse CEO Andrew Lee (50 points, 5 comments)
    4. $5 Worth of Bitcoin Gets You Internet ‘For Life’ on the Darknet (36 points, 7 comments)
    5. 4 Monero Features That Enable Better Privacy Than Bitcoin (35 points, 0 comments)
    6. Bitcoin is Eating the Entire Online Gambling Industry (31 points, 2 comments)
    7. Report Estimates There are More Than 10 Million Bitcoin Holders Worldwide (28 points, 7 comments)
    8. Bitcoin Dominance Index Approaches 90% as Ethereum and Steem Decline (25 points, 4 comments)
    9. Singapore’s Status Wants to Bring Ethereum to Every Mobile Device (25 points, 0 comments)
    10. Slock.It Says 'The DAO's Journey is Over' (23 points, 0 comments)
  8. 513 points, 21 submissions: _CapR_
    1. Polls suggest the Pirate Party who support Bitcoins as legal tender may win Saturday's election in Iceland (48 points, 3 comments)
    2. ALERT: Apple just approved two more scam wallets, please help reporting them - (/Bitcoin x-post) (41 points, 0 comments)
    3. War On Cash Intensifies: Citibank To Stop Accepting Cash At Some Branches (40 points, 3 comments)
    4. Russian Authorities: Bitcoin Poses No Threat, Won’t Be Banned (36 points, 5 comments)
    5. The Govt. Realized Bitcoin Could Not Be Shut down, Says U.S. Federal Prosecutor - CryptoCoinsNews (36 points, 7 comments)
    6. Saudis, China dump treasuries; foreign banks liquidate a record $346 billion in US paper (33 points, 2 comments)
    7. IRS Fail: Treasury Audit Says it Can't Manage Virtual Currencies - Bitcoin News (32 points, 2 comments)
    8. Bitcoin Is Real Money, Judge Rules in J.P. Morgan Hack (31 points, 0 comments)
    9. Massive scams like OneCoin harm all of crypto & can increase bad regs - help me make a letter on GitHub to send to enforcement agencies (29 points, 9 comments)
    10. Deploy is the fastest and easiest way to create an OpenBazaar store that will stay up 24/7, auto-update, and operate securely. (27 points, 0 comments)
  9. 365 points, 20 submissions: jholmes91
    1. Monero Testing $10, Releases Official Wallet (39 points, 1 comment)
    2. Litecoin Creator: I think there's a General Confusion that SegWit Signaling is a Vote (28 points, 2 comments)
    3. Open-source Cold Storage Guide for Bitcoin in the Works! (27 points, 1 comment)
    4. One in Five Users May Abandon Bitcoin Because of Privacy Concerns (24 points, 19 comments)
    5. Jaxx Wallet Set to Integrate DASH This Week (23 points, 4 comments)
    6. IRS Summons Coinbase, but the Bitcoin Exchange Fights Back (22 points, 2 comments)
    7. New OpenBazaar Release Provides Altcoin Integration (21 points, 12 comments)
    8. Russia's Ministry of Finance Wants to Legalize Bitcoin (21 points, 0 comments)
    9. Monero Appreciation Intensifies on Darknet Adoption (20 points, 7 comments)
    10. Monero Attracts Mainstream Media After ZCash Decline & Controversial Launch (18 points, 0 comments)
  10. 355 points, 17 submissions: coin_news
    1. Major Korean Bank to launch bitcoin-backed remittance service (40 points, 1 comment)
    2. Experts say Scotland should adopt blockchain technology, or risk losing tens of thousands of jobs and hundreds of millions in earnings (32 points, 1 comment)
    3. Tumblers and unregulated wallet providers are the target of global cybercrime conference (30 points, 8 comments)
    4. Gemini launches daily bitcoin auctions to provide better price discovery (27 points, 0 comments)
    5. U.S. Department of Homeland Security funds four blockchain companies developing new cyber security technology (27 points, 1 comment)
    6. Deloitte boosts blockchain adoption by installing a bitcoin ATM in their Toronto office (25 points, 0 comments)
    7. DC attorneys suggest Federal Reserve actively embrace and utilize blockchain technology (24 points, 2 comments)
    8. House of Lords told Bank of England's digital currency is 'some way off' (24 points, 1 comment)
    9. 75% of corporate treasurers in Africa and Latin America interested in blockchain solutions (21 points, 0 comments)
    10. Public blockchains gaining acceptance at Bank of Japan’s Payment and Settlement Forum (17 points, 0 comments)

Top Commenters

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  13. MasterMined710 (70 points, 44 comments)
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  3. Bitcoin falls below 70% of total cryptocurrency market cap for the first time by SatoshiRoshi (90 points, 62 comments)
  4. Countdown: Bitcoin Will Be a Legal Method of Payment in Japan in Two Months by helmsk (88 points, 2 comments)
  5. Monero successfully hardforks! by jml390 (85 points, 33 comments)
  6. Bitcoin Transactions Declared VAT-Exempt in Norway by helmsk (85 points, 3 comments)
  7. Kraken launches Monero trading by jml390 (82 points, 3 comments)
  8. Poloniex is Secure. We're Good. by Poloniex (79 points, 52 comments)
  9. EU Parliament states Virtual Currencies cannot be anonymous by -bnc (70 points, 26 comments)
  10. Bitcoin expected to become part of everyday life in the Caribbean within eighteen months as banks abandon the region by Coinosphere (70 points, 11 comments)

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Bruce Fenton to step down as head of Bitcoin Foundation. Details Category: News Published: 08 June 2016 Hits: 1771 The executive director of the Bitcoin Foundation plans to resign in two months but he will keep his membership in the organisation as an assistant or advisor. The information about Fenton’s resignation was announced by the Bitcoin Core developer Jonas Schnelly, who wrote about ... Video: Bruce Fenton on the Bitcoin Foundation, Satoshi Roundtable and Scaling. November 25, 2019 Bitcoin Magazine 0. ADS. Bruce Fenton is definitely a distinct personality in the Bitcoin space. After working as a stock market broker for about two decades, he chose to walk away from his Wall Street career and take a leap of faith with Bitcoin. “It’s been a wild ride, I wouldn’t trade it ... Good for you Bruce. I've long believed there is no reason to be having political discussions with any miner about anything.. Not that it isn't tempting. Not that it isn't convenient. But once the precedent is set that we have meetings with miners to talk about the protocol, it's not long before you end up with a situation like today, when ill formed tweets from someone with a large mining pool ... Bitcoin SegWit2x Hard Fork Benefits Not Visible: Bruce Fenton. Bitcoin Foundation executive director Bruce Fenton has become the latest high-profile Bitcoin personality to criticize SegWit2x.. In comments on Twitter Sunday, Fenton triggered responses from other well-known Bitcoin industry and community figures after he wrote that he “didn’t see the benefit” of the hard fork. Bruce Fenton is the CEO of Chainstone Labs, and currently volunteers for EndCoronaVirus.org. I speak with him on the situation in New Hampshire and the USA in general, his volunteer work to help get more ventilators to hospitals, and how bitcoin will perform in these circumstances. Recorded: Friday March 20th, 2019 Donations ...

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Freemasons using Bitcoin to rule the world!?

This video is to address those who have hit me up on Telegram regarding me being a Freemason. PLUS, a coin recommendation and another article about crypto hitting a $1-3 trillion dollar market cap ... Bitcoin mining is the process of verifying transactions on the Bitcoin network and releasing new Bitcoin into the system These two activities are key to Bitcoin and help differentiate it from ... On today's episode we talk with Joshua Unseth about the Bitcoin blocksize debate. "It's really very easy to see that there is fundamental flaws in this research paper" - Bruce Fenton on the academic paper that blamed the 2017 bitcoin boom on a single market whale. Great talk about bitcoins. This video is unavailable. Watch Queue Queue

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